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General Section => General Joe Talk => Topic started by: canprime on August 14, 2010, 10:55:02 AM
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So we all know Hasbro likes to go back to the same well over and over. No where is that
more evident than in their Star Wars line. We also saw how well the 25th line did, especially the figures, with classic packaging. Even the POC line has done a sort of retro return with vehicles being boxed and us having to assemble them. Now with Star Wars they are releasing "vintage" packaging for the At-At, Snow Speeder and Tie Fighter.
My question is, would you guys be willing to buy re-releases of 25th vehicles in vintage packaging with "some assembly required?"
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If I already have the vehicle, no. If I'm looking for the vehicle and the re-releasing gives me the opportunity to buy it, sure. But I'm not going to get something I already have just because the box is different, if that's what you're asking.
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I think there were a ton of joe fans (myself included) that only got back into joe collecting because of the 25th. There's a lot of us that just want the whole line to return to that.
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I think there were a ton of joe fans (myself included) that only got back into joe collecting because of the 25th. There's a lot of us that just want the whole line to return to that.
...only without the diaper crotches and elbows that don't bend, I hope? ;D
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I think there were a ton of joe fans (myself included) that only got back into joe collecting because of the 25th. There's a lot of us that just want the whole line to return to that.
...only without the diaper crotches and elbows that don't bend, I hope? ;D
Yeah, but they straightened it out pretty early (except for the occasional limited articulaiton at the elbow which is still a problem with POC).
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So we all know Hasbro likes to go back to the same well over and over. No where is that
more evident than in their Star Wars line. We also saw how well the 25th line did, especially the figures, with classic packaging. Even the POC line has done a sort of retro return with vehicles being boxed and us having to assemble them. Now with Star Wars they are releasing "vintage" packaging for the At-At, Snow Speeder and Tie Fighter.
My question is, would you guys be willing to buy re-releases of 25th vehicles in vintage packaging with "some assembly required?"
I don't know. I think Hasbro should've at least continue the 25th line. There was no other valid marketing/sales reason to stop it if it not for the movie.
In my greater opinion, Hasbro Hasbro accomplished more with Gi joe 25th in regards to commemorating the vintage line, than with any of their Star Wars vintage style offerings.
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I forgot that we are 2 years away from the 30th anniversary of ARAH. So we might get some offerings then. I'll hope for a return to vintage packaging by then, even if it is just a limited run or occasional offering.
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I forgot that we are 2 years away from the 30th anniversary of ARAH. So we might get some offerings then. I'll hope for a return to vintage packaging by then, even if it is just a limited run or occasional offering.
But if we get another VAMP, HISS tank, Mobat...seriously count me out :) which will leave more for you guys. I even didn't jump for the PAST & PRESENT 2-pack. I guess I'm too old :)
I'm all for vintage style product but they should at least do something different with it like they did for RAM&Trubble bubble and the other 25th vehicles.
And they should at least focus on other old school vehicles that have not been revisited already. Per instance, instead of releasing a vintage style MOBAT with retro packaging and all, they should opt for the MBT Mauler (with some nice troop compartments added for once). Instead of the HISS tank v.1, the HISS tank II. I know that's too much asking from Hasbro, but that's the only way in my opinion they'd get MORE collectors like me into buying their stuff, but I do understand that the needs of the many must outweight the needs of the few. And beeing a huge ARAH follower, that's also why I wouldn't buy when I simply don't need another simple vintage style re-issue that was already redone or has nothing new to offer.
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yeah I don't care if the packaging is vintage for the vehicles as I'm just going to open them up anyway. I also would rather see new vinatge vehicles instead of ones already released in the 25th line.
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I'm with latinjoe22 on this one. I would not buy another vehicle I allready own unless they did something exciting to it. I would rather see vehicles that were not already released.
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Don't forget guys that most of the old molds were destroyed so "new" old molds are pretty much the only option now. I understand not wanting the same old vehicles, but let's not forget that in 2 more years some of these vehicles, and figures, won't have been out for 5 years which is about right for a recycling by Hasbro.
I just thought that vintage packaging might be a way for Hasbro to sell us the same item again, even though I know Hasbro would never do something like that. LOL
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Don't forget guys that most of the old molds were destroyed so "new" old molds are pretty much the only option now. I understand not wanting the same old vehicles, but let's not forget that in 2 more years some of these vehicles, and figures, won't have been out for 5 years which is about right for a recycling by Hasbro.
I just thought that vintage packaging might be a way for Hasbro to sell us the same item again, even though I know Hasbro would never do something like that. LOL
Re-casts....there is always recasts. And nothing can stop Hasbro from retooling them. But I somewhat agree Canprime that this might limit Hasbro of coming out with a whole bunch of retro vehicles at the same time.
EDIT: +1 Timbit for you :)
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I would buy the same vehicles if they were the tiger force or night force versions. And they still haven't properly released the snake armor or ferret in the right colors even though they obviously have the mold...
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I would buy the same vehicles if they were the tiger force or night force versions. And they still haven't properly released the snake armor or ferret in the right colors even though they obviously have the mold...
You just unveiled my greatest weakness! If Hasbro was to re-release the exact same Tiger Force vehicles, I would definitely cast aside my pride and buy them all over again... :-[ ;D
And I think Hasbro recasted a mold from an old Snake. When you put the ROC Snake and an old side-by-side you can see that some details have smoothened...which makes me think.
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And the figs too, tele viper python patrol and cobra trooper.
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I would not be interested.
Frankly, a lot of the 25th vehicle releases, and the theme of those release haven't been terribly compelling for me. I've passed on a lot of stuff, and the strategy Hasbro has used hasn't helped. Vehicles like the Armadillo have been over-done, though they are small, and economically sensible, they just are as interesting as other stuff.
The GIJOE line is plainly timid in its approach to fielding product---there's a real culture of playing it safe that is apparent to me.
I can understand that--as GIJOE has been a risky venture for Hasbro over the past 20 years.
I'd like to see all-new stuff.......new characters, new vehicle designs. The past can always be trickled out to appease those with a nostalgic bent, but I'd like to see what the designers at Hasbro can do with modern design sensibilities. POC looks to be something headed in the right direction.
The 25th line largely disappointed me, especially in the vehicles. I was hoping/expecting a more detailed model kit-like approach, where details that were simplified are expanded upon and addressed. Example: that lil' machine gun on the VAMP hood. yea, its there, it appears to be a machine gun, but its molded as a solid. Also on the Vamp, no instrumentation on the dashboard........why not?
I think it was a missed opportunity of what the 25th line COULD have become, but didn't.
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I would not be interested.
Frankly, a lot of the 25th vehicle releases, and the theme of those release haven't been terribly compelling for me. I've passed on a lot of stuff, and the strategy Hasbro has used hasn't helped. Vehicles like the Armadillo have been over-done, though they are small, and economically sensible, they just are as interesting as other stuff.
The GIJOE line is plainly timid in its approach to fielding product---there's a real culture of playing it safe that is apparent to me.
I can understand that--as GIJOE has been a risky venture for Hasbro over the past 20 years.
I'd like to see all-new stuff.......new characters, new vehicle designs. The past can always be trickled out to appease those with a nostalgic bent, but I'd like to see what the designers at Hasbro can do with modern design sensibilities. POC looks to be something headed in the right direction.
The 25th line largely disappointed me, especially in the vehicles. I was hoping/expecting a more detailed model kit-like approach, where details that were simplified are expanded upon and addressed. Example: that lil' machine gun on the VAMP hood. yea, its there, it appears to be a machine gun, but its molded as a solid. Also on the Vamp, no instrumentation on the dashboard........why not?
I think it was a missed opportunity of what the 25th line COULD have become, but didn't.
YO-JOE. I think you just said what I was perhaps a bit too shy to say. +1 Timbit fer you.
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I thing i would buy them, even if Hasbro are using the same mold. As my opinion, the only thing missing to the 25th vehicles line is the artwork on the boxes.
I would like to see more classic vehicles for the 30th line but like Arrow said, more details would be very appreciate.
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The vehicles in the 25th line were a step in the right direction, but only a single step. Yes, they did have more details that originally, but there were opportunities that were missed--as I said before. The details we got were haphazard--more control sticks for vehicles that never had them, the odd removable entrenching tool here/there.....fairly mundane.
Here's an example of what could have been: The HISS.
Take a good look at your 25th HISS tank.
Note the sponsons on the tank treads........do you see what looks like a hatch cover to some side bin/jockey box? Yea.....why could THAT have not been made a functional detail?
And moveable tank treads? I know the new HISS got them, and giving them to the old HISS would be stealing that thunder, but still...
The side bins could stow whatever you wanted: tools, weapons etc.
Add some grab handles to the back for the poor sods to hold on to.
And how about swappable parts?
A new armoured canopy for the driver, with a periscope for those that always thought the glass canopy was too vulnerable(include the old glass canopy for the purists), and TWO sets of guns for the top turret.
One being the traditional molded weapons, and a second set that was more detailed, maybe based off of twin .50 cals, or Bushmaster chain guns with a big ammo feed system and sighting optics. Something to put the tingle back into the HISS's jingle.
Add $10 to the base price to cover the costs--and YES I'd have bought it.
A DELUXE HISS model.
I'd be all over that like a dirty shirt.
Its would be the HISS we all know, but lovingly upgraded into a form that transcends a toy and becomes something akin to a model kit.
When I saw the figures were going to be detailed, I hoped that the vehicles would be likewise. They weren't, and I'm still hoping.
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A big NO for me.. arah sculpts belongs to the past! And this comes from a big vintage collector.. I would hate to be a SW collector, really!
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I like some of your ideas ARROW. It could be an upgrade with a small outlay of funds. As you said, they did it for some of the 25th vehicles. However I think a hypothetical 30th line would go the same route of the 25th. Some new molds and a lot of original/upgraded molds.
I would also be all over Tiger Force/Python Patrol/Night Force/Sky Patrol reissues. However I could also get behind re-releases of small run items (Stinger, Sting Raider[aka Water Moccasin]) which didn't get very wide distribution and are iconic enought to be first or second wave releases. Which would be beneficial to the line since there would be more desire for those than the over produced Armadillo, etc. The added benefit is that the shorter run items also have historical repaints from the previously mentioned subgroups.
Also, there are other small vehicles/playsets that weren't released that there are obviously molds for, or weren't released in original colours.
I think there would be lots of options, and "personally" I would love to see one of those options be vintage styled boxes.