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General Section => General Joe Talk => Topic started by: morgardee on October 14, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
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I changed the title of this thread to include all the new subscription figure from Fun Publishing/ Master Collector as they come out and I'm adding Quarrel and Nano Bat.
The first figure to be revealed was Quarrel:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Customs/quarrelFweb.jpg)
Second was Nano Bat:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Customs/nanoFweb.jpg)
Third was Topside:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Joe%20rooms%20from%20the%20past/topsideFweb.jpg)
Topside is a new head mold:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Topsidehead.jpg)
I'm not really blown away with this one.
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I've always liked Topside, but this figure repeats an omission that the first one had: the original card art showed a black front on the dome of the helmet--a treatment I always found aesthetically pleasing. Neither the original figure nor this have that paint app, and I'd love to see it.
Still, I think the figure looks quite nice and I'm finding myself actually pondering getting a subscription.
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Looks like they use the Shipwreck figure from the Comic 2 pack with Rock and Roll's head
(http://www.joecustoms.com/customs/images/final/figure/2010/04/1270517805shipwreck+front.JPG)
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Where is Topside's baler-twine belt?
That was my favourite feature on the original.
(http://www.yojoe.com/action/90/90images/topside.jpg)
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Looks like they use the Shipwreck figure from the Comic 2 pack with Rock and Roll's head
(http://www.joecustoms.com/customs/images/final/figure/2010/04/1270517805shipwreck+front.JPG)
The arms look a little different, otherwise I think you've nailed it.
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I was disappointed when I saw this figure. I was actually considering the subscription service until now because if they are just going to make slap together figures like this one I'm not interested.
Unless the figures are under $20 and shipping is reduced I'm out!
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I'm actually pretty pleased with this one. As much as I love the true classic ARAH characters, I didn't get into Joe collecting until '88-'89. Characters like Topside are the ones I remember finding at retail when I was a kid. I was honestly about to start making a custom Topside using that exact configuration, & now I don't have to! I'm even more excited for the figure service now, and I'm extra glad my new Flagg will have another much-needed crewman! Now if we could just get a 25th Admiral Keel-Haul...
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If I go for the sub, I'd set about getting that nifty little backpack rocket launcher that the original had-with the little fold-out stand than those two red rockets.
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4th figure was revealed today. It's Dice:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Customs/diceFweb.jpg)
The figure looks OK but I was expecting a bit more from Fun Publishing. At the convention in Florida this year they were saying the club subscription figures were going to be more like items Hasbro made but never produced, foreign figures, and rare figures.
The first two figures, Quarrel and Nano Bat lived up to that hype but Topside and Dice might as well be random figures from a 7 pack. They are not worth more then $15 (shipped) in my opinion. Chances are good they will be more like $20 - $25 before shipping. Fun Publishing really needs to watch what they are charging for the figures and shipping or else we'll be seeing sets on sale in 2 years at the 2014 convention. :-\
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Anybody wanna bet that Slice ends up somewhere in there too? :D
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Wonder if Slice will be #13.
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Is there anyone besides me who is thinking that MC's topside looks like he could've belonged to the Adventure team series?
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Is there anyone besides me who is thinking that MC's topside looks like he could've belonged to the Adventure team series?
Man I loved the Adventure People stuff. I wish they would make a come back exactly as they were in the 70's.
Wonder if Slice will be #13.
The rumored list:
Quarrel
Topside
Cover Girl
Big Boa
Nano BAT
Jinx
Barrel Roll
Iron Claw
Sure Fire
Dice
Grunt - Tan
There is only a few on that list I would consider "must have" figures, such as Quarrel, Big Boa, Iron Claw and maybe Barrel Roll. The others are nice and all, but not what I'd call a premium figure.
Cover Girl makes sense since they just used a modified JvC Cover Girl head on the 2011 convention set when they made Sparta.
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I would've expected Cover Girl and Jinx to be main line figures.
But then I remember what a horrible peg-warmer the movie Cover Girl was.
Shame, really.
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I would've expected Cover Girl and Jinx to be main line figures.
But then I remember what a horrible peg-warmer the movie Cover Girl was.
Shame, really.
IMHO, ROC Cover Girl is an underated figure compared to other accomplishments in the same movie line.
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5th figure is Tan Grunt:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/gruntFweb.jpg)
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I was wondering which version this would be. So it appears to be the Glider version. Cool nod with the glider backpack.
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I would've expected Cover Girl and Jinx to be main line figures.
But then I remember what a horrible peg-warmer the movie Cover Girl was.
Shame, really.
IMHO, ROC Cover Girl is an underated figure compared to other accomplishments in the same movie line.
I meant "horrible" in the sense that they were everywhere on clearance for $3 and people still weren't biting.
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I have no idea why people on another board are crapping on the Tan Grunt. The original figure was bland to begin with.
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Tan Grunt's the only one I'm not excited about...at all. New characters I don't have in 25th style excite me...I already have a 25th Grunt from the TRU 3 pack. The backpack doesn't do anything for me either. I didn't know there was a great outcry for tan Grunts...
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I'm surprised that they didn't give the glider more of the original Falcon colors (green/blue with black camo) since the original toy was all about the glider. Or at least use the small 25th Cobra CLAW and do that in Falcon colors.
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I'm surprised that they didn't give the glider more of the original Falcon colors (green/blue with black camo) since the original toy was all about the glider. Or at least use the small 25th Cobra CLAW and do that in Falcon colors.
I agree, but also for the reason that the glider accessory they gave Tan Grunt doesn't correspond too well with its 25th look.
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Tan Grunt's the only one I'm not excited about...at all. New characters I don't have in 25th style excite me...I already have a 25th Grunt from the TRU 3 pack. The backpack doesn't do anything for me either. I didn't know there was a great outcry for tan Grunts...
And tan Grunt is the only one I am thinking about getting.........
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All 5 so far:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/subsriptionfigures5pack.jpg)
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Finally, a "must have" figure (IMO):
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/ironklawFweb.jpg)
Good use of Destro legs. I like it.
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Finally, a "must have" figure (IMO):
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/ironklawFweb.jpg)
Good use of Destro legs. I like it.
I like that they've tied in a G.I. Joe Extreme figure into the G.I. Joe line now. The only set left to tie in with a new sculpt is Sgt. Savage.
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i know someone's going to be orgasmic over this...
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Pretty awesome. THAT I can get excited about!
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Based on the leaked list there are unfortunately about 5 or 6 figures I want. I say unfortunately because thiis means my chances of getting the likes of jynx and cover girl (the two I definitely want, along with every other collector) are basically gone. So my question is, is there any possibility that I can get AT LEAST my money back on the ones I don't want?
Which ones do folks think will be in most demand, besides the obvious cover girl and jynx?
As for the figures, overall they all look really nice. Even the ones I have no interest in (Iron Claw for example) look nice. I just wish they wouldn't be so darn expensive, particularly for Canadians.
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Today's big reveal is......
a box:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/FSS-box2.jpg)
Odd thing to reveal but OK, I guess it looks nice. It will look nice in my recycling bin when I throw it out as well. ;)
On a side note, how many people are interested in this set? Is it worth trying to get a bulk order in?
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Based on the leaked list there are unfortunately about 5 or 6 figures I want. I say unfortunately because thiis means my chances of getting the likes of jynx and cover girl (the two I definitely want, along with every other collector) are basically gone. So my question is, is there any possibility that I can get AT LEAST my money back on the ones I don't want?
Which ones do folks think will be in most demand, besides the obvious cover girl and jynx?
As for the figures, overall they all look really nice. Even the ones I have no interest in (Iron Claw for example) look nice. I just wish they wouldn't be so darn expensive, particularly for Canadians.
If you don't mind the hassle of putting them on eBay, I'm absolutely sure you'll be able to at least get your money back. As for me, the one (so far) I know I don't want I've already worked out a deal for ;D
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As for the big box reveal, it's a relief. The boxes the Club used to send out the exclusive figures were just horrible. Incredibly flimsy. I'm extremely lucky my Dial-Tone arrived undamaged because the box it came in was pretty much destroyed!
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The sad truth is the new box won't save the figures from our terrible postal service.
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The reveal was a box? Really? ::)
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WHich in turn shows up how they rape us in shipping =/
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WHich in turn shows up how they rape us in shipping =/
Then they forgot the jar of vasoline to go with it.
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whilst i don't condone casualt talk of sexual violence against women, to continue the metaphor; if they're going to screw you over, why would they care about your comfort?
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What really odd is that if you want results and answers to your questions, ask them on facebook and not on their message boards. I've asked before about them holding back sets until the very end and shipping me a full set in one order. I never heard back from them. I mention it once on facebook and withing hours I had a direct response.
BTW, the answer is no, they won't hold back a full set and ship them at once. The reason was warehouse space.
Fine, so all of those people who don't want to get taken advantage of over shipping rates won't buy a set and they will still have them sitting around taking up space in their warehouse and eventually go on clearance, just like the set of 7 DTC set. Then I'll order a set. ;)
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Jinx is up. http://www.gijoeclub.com/images/2011/jinxFweb.jpg
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Jinx is up. http://www.gijoeclub.com/images/2011/jinxFweb.jpg
Another must-have subscription figure, but where is her outfit from? Renegades? (She was in it, right?)
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Here's the Jinx image:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/jinxFweb1.jpg)
Now I'm sad because that is a great figure. That means I'll want to buy it.
Dang.
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I'm disappointed by Jinx. Not so much about the outfit update, but by the fact that she doesn't have a full ninja mask like the classic figure.
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I'd love to see her outfit cast in yellow, remove the blindfold (which is removable btw) and give her blond hair. Make her in a two pack with Cobra Commanders son... ;)
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what's that a reference to?
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what's that a reference to?
Kill Bill. ;)
As long as they keep put up the photos I'll keep copying and pasting them:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Sub7.jpg)
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Alright - I'm gonna subscribe. The after market on the figs I don't want will probably pay for some of the cost of the figs that I do want. How much is this racket gonna be?
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I will be in forsure too! I hope shipping does not kill us!
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Not bad as an updated figure, but certainly not the jinx I'm interested in. This is the kind of figure I'd probably pick up at regular retail for $7.99, but not interested at the subscription procing. I'm kinda hoping that cover girl is a big departure from her original figure as well, as I will have much less temptation to subscribe. Cover girl is the only possible "must have" left in the bunch, with a few i would like, and the rest I have no interest in.
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So, it looks like some really great figures, along with some "meh" figures.
Just a warning for those out there who think they will be able to sell off their unwanted figures. Look at convention exclusives, including Dial-Tone. There is a limited timeframe for getting at least your money back, and with the club's history of shipping to Canada, I doubt we can take advantage like the US collectors can. Meaning both in time and cost of shipping.
Also, look at the price. If you are already a member that at least knocks the price down a bit for you, but let's try and break it down.
First, membership. $63US for Canadians.
Second, subscription figures. Looking at the history of the club and exclusive figures, they seem to have settled on $20 a figure, without cards, as a standard. The chances of that changing for the subscription service are slim. That said, being generous we can hope for what? $15 a figure? So that times 12 is $180 for the full subscription. That is without shipping!!! Add in a base of (EXTREMELY generous) $10 per order (time 6 shipments) and you have a grand total of $303 US for someone just coming to the club. Again that is giving an extreme benefit of the doubt to MC about pricing and shipping to Canada. So you get 14 figures (if you sign up early and get the free FOOTLOOSE, plus bonus 13th subscription service figure). for somewhere in the range of $300-$400 (not counting possible customs charges as well, though hopefully unlikely). So it works out to somewhere on the low end of $21.65US to $28.57 on the high end per figure. Not too bad for exclusives, but it could work out to an even higher total, although I'm not sure if they also charge tax on purchases? I know they do on con exclusive packages based on which state the con is at that year.
Now when you break it down like that it seems like a pretty solid deal. Works out to about what a con package set would cost you. So it should be good overall, but I have said it before. I am a cynic and I worry that all told, this deal it going to get pricey for Canadians and international collectors.
So looking at the history of convention exclusives, the ARAH "canon" figures should hold their value, and if lucky, go up a bit, but while there are fans out there of most of the choices on the list. I don't see Nano-BAT, Iron Klaw, Barrel-Roll, non-ARAH Jinx holding their value.
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So, it looks like some really great figures, along with some "meh" figures.
Just a warning for those out there who think they will be able to sell off their unwanted figures. Look at convention exclusives, including Dial-Tone. There is a limited timeframe for getting at least your money back, and with the club's history of shipping to Canada, I doubt we can take advantage like the US collectors can. Meaning both in time and cost of shipping.
Also, look at the price. If you are already a member that at least knocks the price down a bit for you, but let's try and break it down.
First, membership. $63US for Canadians.
Second, subscription figures. Looking at the history of the club and exclusive figures, they seem to have settled on $20 a figure, without cards, as a standard. The chances of that changing for the subscription service are slim. That said, being generous we can hope for what? $15 a figure? So that times 12 is $180 for the full subscription. That is without shipping!!! Add in a base of (EXTREMELY generous) $10 per order (time 6 shipments) and you have a grand total of $303 US for someone just coming to the club. Again that is giving an extreme benefit of the doubt to MC about pricing and shipping to Canada. So you get 14 figures (if you sign up early and get the free FOOTLOOSE, plus bonus 13th subscription service figure). for somewhere in the range of $300-$400 (not counting possible customs charges as well, though hopefully unlikely). So it works out to somewhere on the low end of $21.65US to $28.57 on the high end per figure. Not too bad for exclusives, but it could work out to an even higher total, although I'm not sure if they also charge tax on purchases? I know they do on con exclusive packages based on which state the con is at that year.
Now when you break it down like that it seems like a pretty solid deal. Works out to about what a con package set would cost you. So it should be good overall, but I have said it before. I am a cynic and I worry that all told, this deal it going to get pricey for Canadians and international collectors.
So looking at the history of convention exclusives, the ARAH "canon" figures should hold their value, and if lucky, go up a bit, but while there are fans out there of most of the choices on the list. I don't see Nano-BAT, Iron Klaw, Barrel-Roll, non-ARAH Jinx holding their value.
Well said sir.
I haven't seen enough to take the plunge. And I could have it shipped to my sister in Va!
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And THAT is why they need to stop messing around and give us the price breakdown already. I am starting to think they want to show us all the figures in an attempt to make us really want it and then once we are all hooked and saying "Yes, I want a set", they will hit us with unreasonable pricing.
This is my take on the math:
Right now the minimum shipping charge to Canada is $24.25. I imagine the figures will cost $25 each.
So shipping total would be $145.50 (assuming shipping on the 13th figure is free)
The figures, if $25 each will equal $300.
Not including possible duty taxes OR the annual membership fee I'm think these will cost us $445.50 or $34.27 per figure (again adding in the free 13th figure)
I hope I'm wrong but honestly I see this as a possibility.
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Morgardee just stop. My cynicism is reaching extreme levels. (lol)
The more I think about it, the $30+/figure mark seems right.
On another note, it is pretty funny reading some of the other boards. The two camps are of course arguing for and against. However the one thing that makes me laugh is the defenders saying Hasbro will never make these figures. If Hasbro wants to make them they will. The best example of this is the seekers from the 2007 convention set for TFs. Everyone was sure hasbro would never make them, and sure enough two years later they made Thrust and we now have all the seekers.
Yes these are cancelled figures, or ones with a slim chance of being made, but never think Hasbro won't make them if it works out for them to do so.
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Yeah, the longer they go without revealing a price, the more cynical I get. ;)
Yes these are cancelled figures, or ones with a slim chance of being made, but never think Hasbro won't make them if it works out for them to do so.
But see there's the thing. Don't doubt for a moment Hasbro wouldn't redo any of these if they thought it was worth their while. But, really, the 25th line of GI Joe's not likely to be a big money maker for them at this point. Just my opinion, of course, but I think this is why they've passed the torch to the Club for some of these. I really don't see any of these coming to regular retail for quite a while.
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Nevermind. If the Jinx is so un-popular, I'll just shell out the $30-50 or whatever required to get it and not bother with the other figs.
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Nevermind. If the Jinx is so un-popular, I'll just shell out the $30-50 or whatever required to get it and not bother with the other figs.
This time next year, the movie will have come and gone. That means Hasbro will have released at least 2 or more Jinx figures. 1 of which might be an ARAH tribute/update.
If the club Jinx is going for more than $30 at that time I will be shocked. Look at Zarana, the ARAH version is barely going for $30 and that is an accurate update of a character, released in limited quantities, without a movie or possibility of regular retail release.
The club figures, much like their other con exclusive figures, are really only holding value if the character is an identical update to an ARAH figure not done by Hasbro in the past 4 years.
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Next up:
Barrel Roll......
(Sorry, for some reason I can't get a link to post)
Colour me unimpressed. Way too close to the Tan Grunt to be another figure in the subscription service already. Also, of the 2 versions to pick, they go with a combination of the 2 instead of the much better colours of version 1.
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Barrell Roll is one of the more interesting characters that has come out in recent years, but he looks sooo much better in blue. I was figuring this would be a figure I'd want, certainly not a must have but a figure that would help push me into wanting the subscription. But nope, not a fan of the tan, so it pushes me further the other way. At this point, it's pretty much guaranteed I'm out, and if Cover Girl turns out nice, I'll have to bite the bullet and try and get her on her own. At this point, I'm really hoping she's some random version like jinx. :P
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Barrell Roll is one of the more interesting characters that has come out in recent years, but he looks sooo much better in blue. I was figuring this would be a figure I'd want, certainly not a must have but a figure that would help push me into wanting the subscription. But nope, not a fan of the tan, so it pushes me further the other way. At this point, it's pretty much guaranteed I'm out, and if Cover Girl turns out nice, I'll have to bite the bullet and try and get her on her own. At this point, I'm really hoping she's some random version like jinx. :P
I was looking forward to Barrel Roll too, but an not impressed. Blue was much better - as most have already said.
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Here's the picture of Barrel Roll:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/barrelrollFweb.jpg)
I'm sort of "meh" on this one.
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Hey Morgardee, how did you get it to post?
I tried the URL and IMG and I could never get it to post, it would just run and then time out.
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Hey Morgardee, how did you get it to post?
I tried the URL and IMG and I could never get it to post, it would just run and then time out.
I copy the image to my desktop and then upload it to Photobucket.
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I've been silent on the subscription figures up till now for a few reasons. I'm getting out of collecting this style of figure so there was zero chance I subscribe. I didn't want to artificially offset the sound-to-noise ratio. I've also only liked Dice and Jinx at this point, and I don't like ragging on the things the Club does unless I feel it is warranted.
Here's the picture of Barrel Roll:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/barrelrollFweb.jpg)
I'm sort of "meh" on this one.
I would be meh if I wasn't looking forward to seeing this one. The neck down is okay, but given they weren't closely referencing any figure they could have had a lot more fun with the paint aps. They chose the lesser of the two head sculpts, and put a helmet that makes him look like a WWII pilot.
There are actually four existing colour schemes for Barrel Roll, and they went with the one I dislike. My guess is that tan Barrel Roll and tan Grunt are supposed to be a flight pack team, flying through the dessert on missions together. It is the only reason I can see for them to choose this particular direction.
Hopefully people that plan on getting the figures are satisfied with what they're seeing. It isn't the impression I've gotten from threads like this, which is too bad. This being the internet, it might just be that the negativity is rising to the top.
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'flying through the dessert'? what, canyons of apple pie and ice cream? fields of blueberries? lakes of custard and spotted dick?
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Hopefully people that plan on getting the figures are satisfied with what they're seeing. It isn't the impression I've gotten from threads like this, which is too bad. This being the internet, it might just be that the negativity is rising to the top.
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I've planned on subscribing from the start & I'm still going to. So far I'm pretty fond of Quarrel, Iron KLAW, Dice, & Topside. Jinx is ok but I'd much prefer a classic version. Nano-BAT doesn't do much for me, & I'll be selling my Tan Grunt. Barrel Roll's ok, but that's just WAY too much brown!
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I just hope Shipping is not way too much as that will be the breaking point for these figures for us.
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I just hope Shipping is not way too much as that will be the breaking point for these figures for us.
If some of you guys want to do something like get a few of you together and have the club ship your figures to me, then have me do a big ship of all of them at once to you to save $$$$ I would be more than willing to help. That is, if the Club would let ya do that. I'm in TX so the initial shipping to me can't be bad.
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I just hope Shipping is not way too much as that will be the breaking point for these figures for us.
If some of you guys want to do something like get a few of you together and have the club ship your figures to me, then have me do a big ship of all of them at once to you to save $$$$ I would be more than willing to help. That is, if the Club would let ya do that. I'm in TX so the initial shipping to me can't be bad.
Now that is a great idea and one I might take you up once, once we know the cost of the figures.
Thank you sir!
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I just hope Shipping is not way too much as that will be the breaking point for these figures for us.
If some of you guys want to do something like get a few of you together and have the club ship your figures to me, then have me do a big ship of all of them at once to you to save $$$$ I would be more than willing to help. That is, if the Club would let ya do that. I'm in TX so the initial shipping to me can't be bad.
Now that is a great idea and one I might take you up once, once we know the cost of the figures.
Thank you sir!
If I were to take the leap, I would have sent them to my sister.........
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I might me tempted if we can get a group by going. Of course that depends on what MC is going to be asking for them. Checking Ebay it seems only really updated versions, or unreleased foreign figures, are selling at or above original prices. Even then, some aren't and I have to weigh the cost against how many I really want from the subscription service.
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So the next figure is TnT
(http://gijoeclub.com/images/2011/TNTfWEB.jpg)
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UUUGLY! WOW. But somehow it works :D
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I like it.
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Definitely a cool looking figure in a kitschy kind of way. I could see myself picking this up if I could find it at retail, but not for $20+ it will cost. Cool for those into the international figures though.
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Definitely a cool looking figure in a kitschy kind of way. I could see myself picking this up if I could find it at retail, but not for $20+ it will cost. Cool for those into the international figures though.
I feel the same way as the 2 aforementionned posts. Looks kinda cool. Would be fine if I had already decided I was in.
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I'm sure David Lane is very pleased:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/SureFire.jpg)
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I've been silent on the subscription figures up till now for a few reasons. I'm getting out of collecting this style of figure so there was zero chance I subscribe. I didn't want to artificially offset the sound-to-noise ratio. I've also only liked Dice and Jinx at this point, and I don't like ragging on the things the Club does unless I feel it is warranted.
Here's the picture of Barrel Roll:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/barrelrollFweb.jpg)
I'm sort of "meh" on this one.
I would be meh if I wasn't looking forward to seeing this one. The neck down is okay, but given they weren't closely referencing any figure they could have had a lot more fun with the paint aps. They chose the lesser of the two head sculpts, and put a helmet that makes him look like a WWII pilot.
There are actually four existing colour schemes for Barrel Roll, and they went with the one I dislike. My guess is that tan Barrel Roll and tan Grunt are supposed to be a flight pack team, flying through the dessert on missions together. It is the only reason I can see for them to choose this particular direction.
Hopefully people that plan on getting the figures are satisfied with what they're seeing. It isn't the impression I've gotten from threads like this, which is too bad. This being the internet, it might just be that the negativity is rising to the top.
On the preview of the new Navy Seals movie, one of the SEALs is wearing this "helmet".
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On the preview of the new Navy Seals movie, one of the SEALs is wearing this "helmet".
That is a variation of a Protect helmet--commonly worn by skateborders and Spec Ops soldiers. Its not seen all that much on the soldiers these days, because its been superseded by better headgear. The Delta Force guys in the movie Black Hawk Down wore them, which gives you an idea of how "current" they are not.
A friend of mine that is around that stuff tells me its primary use is to keep the wearer from knocking themselves out by hitting their heads on door frames etc. These things offer zero ballistics protection.
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More and more it looks like it will be better to wait and pick up the individual figures I really want. Hopefully Big Boa and Cover Girl are very ARAH and not some mish-mash like Jinx.
Looking at the history of club figures over the past few years, especially 25th/ME design, and you see a pattern. Outside of extremely rare (Piper, yellow Stalker, etc.) you see most figures either stay in or around their original price or roughly double in after market price. Some figures even drop in value. I would hazard a guess that Sure Fire, Barrel Roll, Iron Klaw, Nano Bat, Quarrel, TNT and Jinx will probably hover around $10 +/- their original asking price. Tan Grunt, Dice, and Top Side will probably go for more than asking regularly, although I can't say for sure how much more. Big Boa and Cover Girl, if they are very true to their ARAH design will easily go for double their asking price. So basically it works out that it is just cheaper for me to get them outside the subscription since I really only want about 4-5 of the figures.
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I would hazard a guess that Sure Fire, Barrel Roll, Iron Klaw, Nano Bat, Quarrel, TNT and Jinx will probably hover around $10 +/- their original asking price. Tan Grunt, Dice, and Top Side will probably go for more than asking regularly, although I can't say for sure how much more. Big Boa and Cover Girl, if they are very true to their ARAH design will easily go for double their asking price.
Wow, it's funny how different my take on the aftermarket value of these figures is. I expect Tan Grunt's value to plummet, Maybe TNT as well, for Topside to stay roughly the same, and Jinx and Iron Klaw to increase in value.
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I would hazard a guess that Sure Fire, Barrel Roll, Iron Klaw, Nano Bat, Quarrel, TNT and Jinx will probably hover around $10 +/- their original asking price. Tan Grunt, Dice, and Top Side will probably go for more than asking regularly, although I can't say for sure how much more. Big Boa and Cover Girl, if they are very true to their ARAH design will easily go for double their asking price.
Wow, it's funny how different my take on the aftermarket value of these figures is. I expect Tan Grunt's value to plummet, Maybe TNT as well, for Topside to stay roughly the same, and Jinx and Iron Klaw to increase in value.
Why? From what I have seen over the years ARAH is where the money is made. Iron Klaw is a neat figure, but he isn't even part of ARAH and Jinx is a nice figure, but with the movie we will probably see a few versions of a Jinx figure so it won't be as sought after by collectors (in my opinion of course).
Also if you look at the market now very few figures even retain their value 6 months to a year out. That may come back around again in a few years, but even exclusives aren't holding up very well. I think the problem with exclusives is that Ebay is the big after market site to view "worth". The problem is the Ebay has become much more of a sales site with sellers just putting up figures for fairly ridiculous prices. Hence why you will see the same figure listed for a year with a high price. That makes the ones that go up for auction with a low starting price more likely to get a good price, but nothing like $100.00+ except for the rare figures.
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I think that these exclusives offer a bit of everything for everyone : some of the most popular foreign characters paired up with "most" of the more obscure or less popular domestic characters (except Grunt of course). I also believe that bids will be all over the place on Ebay, regardless of my preferences for some figures over the others. If these figures were offered carded, with POC style colors, we would probably be looking at one solid wave of figures. However Quarrel and Top Side may end as peg warmers if they packed them at 2 or 3 per case, so there you have it, you know which ones I like less now :P
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I would hazard a guess that Sure Fire, Barrel Roll, Iron Klaw, Nano Bat, Quarrel, TNT and Jinx will probably hover around $10 +/- their original asking price. Tan Grunt, Dice, and Top Side will probably go for more than asking regularly, although I can't say for sure how much more. Big Boa and Cover Girl, if they are very true to their ARAH design will easily go for double their asking price.
Wow, it's funny how different my take on the aftermarket value of these figures is. I expect Tan Grunt's value to plummet, Maybe TNT as well, for Topside to stay roughly the same, and Jinx and Iron Klaw to increase in value.
For the most part I agree ith Ryan on this with the exception of TNT. I expect TNT to become one of most sought after sets simply because he ties in so well with other Argentina figures the club has produced. Think about it. So far we have (in 25th anniversary style) Redmack, Shimik, Topson, Ninja-Ku (From Hasbro, Manleh and red ninjas which could be considered Satan (I hight doubt Hasbro or GIJCC want to make a toy called Satan) and Sokerk (Tan Grunt) coming in this set. That is the bulk or the more rare Agentina figures right there. If you want to complete them in 25th style then you will need TNT. Just typing this up make me want to re-organize my display and group them together as an Argentina set.
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i think Quarrel will go high for European collectors wanting it. believe me, Quarrel is about the only one most of BFTB is interested in so far, but some are keen on TNT to go with the other 'Argen 7' characters. (mainly Jamar, i admit)
i'd expect TNT, Iron Klaw and Quarrel to go higher in price, Sure Fire, Tan Grunt and Topside to go lower.
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Well today we should find out the prices. It's looking like $20 - $25 per figure:
G.I. Joe Collectors' Club I think THIS is the way it will go down...
1. The final figure reveals THIS week!
2. At some point afterwards (days not hours), when it is ready... the sub service page will go live. ALL the details including pricing will be on that site. The price PER FIGURE will most likely not be less than $20 and not more than $25. (Remember carded Dial-Tone sold for $25, the goal for the sub is to be less expensive than that. These figures are EXPENSIVE to make with new parts on many and TONS of paint deco, but we are doing the best we can to keep the price down.) There will be more than one payment option - details to come.
3. Subscriptions will be accepted for 4 weeks from OFFICER LEVEL MEMBERS. You can have multiple subscription. They will ship bundled to save shipping for the subscriber.
4. After 4 weeks subscriptions will no longer be accepted.
5. It is possible there will be SOME individual pieces of SOME of the figures available DOWN THE ROAD, most likely they will be sold for a premium to non-subscribers IF we have them. Final production numbers will be dictated by the number of subscriptions, so these will be LIMITED and will probably bring high prices on the secondary market - even the ones YOU don't like.
NONE of this is set in stone and reflects what I am hearing. These details are ALL subject to change as we move forward.
PLEASE do not share this on the internet. I am going out on a limb and these DETAILS MIGHT CHANGE and probably will
Be nice... please?
P.S. The poll here was NOT a vote for the next batch of sub figures. I hope if you saw the poll, you can see how diverse the wants of the fans are and how difficult it is to please everyone.
Thank you, that's all that I know and it is NOT FOR SURE.
What I don't get is why they say don't share this on the internet when it's posted on their facebook page. It's not like I have an "inside" source. It's from them, on the internet, so yes, I copied it.
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Well today we should find out the prices. It's looking like $20 - $25 per figure:
G.I. Joe Collectors' Club I think THIS is the way it will go down...
1. The final figure reveals THIS week!
2. At some point afterwards (days not hours), when it is ready... the sub service page will go live. ALL the details including pricing will be on that site. The price PER FIGURE will most likely not be less than $20 and not more than $25. (Remember carded Dial-Tone sold for $25, the goal for the sub is to be less expensive than that. These figures are EXPENSIVE to make with new parts on many and TONS of paint deco, but we are doing the best we can to keep the price down.) There will be more than one payment option - details to come.
3. Subscriptions will be accepted for 4 weeks from OFFICER LEVEL MEMBERS. You can have multiple subscription. They will ship bundled to save shipping for the subscriber.
4. After 4 weeks subscriptions will no longer be accepted.
5. It is possible there will be SOME individual pieces of SOME of the figures available DOWN THE ROAD, most likely they will be sold for a premium to non-subscribers IF we have them. Final production numbers will be dictated by the number of subscriptions, so these will be LIMITED and will probably bring high prices on the secondary market - even the ones YOU don't like.
NONE of this is set in stone and reflects what I am hearing. These details are ALL subject to change as we move forward.
PLEASE do not share this on the internet. I am going out on a limb and these DETAILS MIGHT CHANGE and probably will
Be nice... please?
P.S. The poll here was NOT a vote for the next batch of sub figures. I hope if you saw the poll, you can see how diverse the wants of the fans are and how difficult it is to please everyone.
Thank you, that's all that I know and it is NOT FOR SURE.
What I don't get is why they say don't share this on the internet when it's posted on their facebook page. It's not like I have an "inside" source. It's from them, on the internet, so yes, I copied it.
The reason why this is might be problematic in propagating is because there's a vocal segment of the collecting population that LOVES to loudly castigate the Club at every turn, and "pricing info" that may OR MAY NOT be set gives them ammunition to criticize the Club. There's only a couple thousand people, at best, interested enough in this project to sign up--so every screeching, bellicose voice out there claiming "its too expensive" can turn off/away someone that might be otherwise interested enough in the subscription. It doesn't help matters, and the Club staff obviously really dislike having to put out fires and BS rumours about pricing when its NOT set in stone.
I mean......its clear they are trying to nickel and dime this thing down as far as they can to make it work for the members.
Its not a conspiracy to rip people off ( oh c'mon!) its not greedy business practises......they would have set a price months ago and stuck by it if they didn't give a crap about the membership.
There's simply a number of people who are too cheap, petty and fickle to pay out for this stuff and so they are bound and determined to spoil( or just sour) it for the rest.
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Figure 11 is Cover Girl...
(http://gijoeclub.com/images/2011/covergirl2web.jpg)
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Yep, Cover Girl is up. That just leaves Big Boa.
She looks a lot like the 2011 convention Sparta except she has the jacket from the Cover Girl fans choice comic pack:
FSS Cover Girl:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/covergirl2web.jpg)
GIJCC 2011 Sparta:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/sparta11.jpg)
Fans Choice Comic Pack Cover Girl:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/CoverGirlFanschoice.jpg)
Reminds me of the Simpsons, "Malibu Stacy with a new hat". ;) Cover Girl has a new belt.
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not bad, I like the idea of the blonde look (might be the resolution on my screen but does her hair color look kinda strawberry blonde?, kind of a mix between redhead and blonde which is a good compromise if it is). But I actually like my Sparta better for some reason even though its almost exactly the same cept for the coat. But I still like this figure though.
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The way Im kind of judging these figures is if I would pay the premium for them. All the figures so far, ignoring the price point, are all decent actually. But you gotta judge by price point sometimes.
Here is what I think so far. Y means I would pay the premium, N means I would not. Its not an exact science but I kinda use this to for which way I lean on the fence for subscribing.
Quarrel - N (we already got an international repaint of scarlet with new tooling and gear in Glenda/Pilot Scarlett, and it didn't cost us a premium...2nd worst of the line)
Nano Bat - Y (at first I hated it but its grown on me a bit, I just really dig the green translucent plastic)
Top Side - Y (Its a safe simple figure, but its of a more obscure character which wins points for me)
Dice - Y (Good translation, all the parts were there and they realized it)
Grunt - N (We already got a grunt...and this one isn't that huge a step above that one, it actually uses most of the same parts. This is the worst of the line IMO, waste of a character slot)
Iron Klaw - Y (Yes yes yes, brining in a new/old character into the mix is fantastic)
Jinx - Y (Its not the classic but I like this updated look)
Barrel Roll - N (I hate the color scheme they chose and the way the helmet looks, it had potential to be better IMO)
TnT - N (This is actually more neutral for me, I wouldn't mind having him but wouldn't miss not having him)
Surefire - N (I like it but I don't think the colors work for me, like TnT this is more of a neutral one.)
Covergirl - Y (much needed modern style figure of a more popular classic character)
As you can see Im still on the fence, pretty much split downt he middle. I have a feeling Ill pull the trigger though as there are figures I really want in the line up.
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I keep hearing Bob Uecker(?) from Major League when he calls the pitch "just a bit outside" when it was way wide.
I like the figure, like most of the choices, but not enough to justify the cost.
Specifically with Cover Girl, I like most of it but not the head. As others have said they did Sparta last year which is almost the exact same. Also, personally the short brown hair version is the most iconic to me, and that was what I was hoping for with this figure. It's just personal choice. However for the price I want the one I want. I know that sounds stupid but it isn't meant as I think I am right. I just look at it from a cost perspective.
In ROC we got a reimagining of Charbroil that was pretty great and close. Especially since it cost less than retail!!!!!!! On the flip side I overpaid for ARAH Zarana, but I don't mind since to me it was so close to the original that I was ok with the price. Covergirl just doesn't do it for me.
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They used the same freaking head from Sparta for Cover Girl = come on man. Hugely disappointed in this.
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Not a fan of the blonde hair at all. It just doesn't look right. Cover Girl is a brunette. Otherwise, not bad, but I dunno, there might be something else off for me... just not sure. Either way, that seals it for me; no subscription. And cover girl is just off enough for me that I probably won't try and track one down. It also leaves the door open for hasbro to make a proper brunette one down the road without stepping on the toes of the club. I'll probably hold out hope for that. Won't hold my breath, but I can hope. :)
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Some of the conversations I've had with the GIJCC on facebook:
Why is it the DTC 2 pack of or Outback and Night Viper together cost $28.99? That includes new sculpted parts, different, multi layered colour camos and GIJCC exclusive card art. These were cancelled items that the club had made. Outback was going to have a white shirt but it was changed black by the GIJCC, so you can't say these were already in Hasbro's inventory, or am I the only one who remembers that set?: http://www.gijoeclub.com/shop/index.cfm?do=detail&productid=1694.
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They replied:
Club The DTC figures were already tooled. We did a few deco revisions and edited the art. It was an 'almost' existing product. On top of that, manufacturing in China is now more expensive that it was then. Materials and labor cost more from China, now, than before. Also the new figures have more articulation and therefore more parts. This means more mold cavities and more assembly.
My follow up:
So are you saying that the GIJCC had parts made / tooled themselves from scratch? Parts that were not already tooled by Hasbro and then passed over? Just trying to understand the full details.
They responded:
@Dave- For the sub figures? Yes.
From me again:
Now that is something you should make in the news letter (before the 4 weeks for the FSS is up). People should know which pieces the GIJCC had made for themselves. It adds another level of respect to the project.
No reply from them after that. So my question is, besides Top Side, what parts are new that the GIJCC tooled? I sure hope they didn't waste money tooling a head for Sure Fire to make him look like David Lane. That would be the ultimate elitist move. I wasn't thrilled to have a David Lane action figure before but at least it didn't look like the guy. Now I see Sure Fire has the same facial hair. Don't make your toys look like you. It really gives a "I'm better then you" message to the collectors.
BTW, if you win a contest and have your likeness used that is a totally different story.
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I wasn't thrilled to have a David Lane action figure before but at least it didn't look like the guy. Now I see Sure Fire has the same facial hair. Don't make your toys look like you. It really gives a "I'm better then you" message to the collectors.
Wha????
How does somebody get to this kind of thought? I don't get that kind of message AT ALL.
The character needs a face, use what's around for the face. If its a fellow collector...a friend, or someone with an interesting mug, then use 'em.
Sorry, but the idea of "status" being in a sculpt is all in the head of the beholder, not in the subject.
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I wasn't thrilled to have a David Lane action figure before but at least it didn't look like the guy. Now I see Sure Fire has the same facial hair. Don't make your toys look like you. It really gives a "I'm better then you" message to the collectors.
Wha????
How does somebody get to this kind of thought? I don't get that kind of message AT ALL.
The character needs a face, use what's around for the face. If its a fellow collector...a friend, or someone with an interesting mug, then use 'em.
Sorry, but the idea of "status" being in a sculpt is all in the head of the beholder, not in the subject.
Hasbro did the same thing originally with ARAH. Of course it was a kid's toy line back then and it was part of hundreds of retail figures. Even recently they have done contests to have fans/collector's/kids faces on figures.
If I was actually serious about getting the subscription, then I would be pretty pissed off if the club used their budget to create new tooling for a new head of an "employee shout" out for this service, instead of a new head for Cover Girl, or new parts for other characters to better update. However if it is an already existing head then whatever. Has anyone found out what head was actually used?
Again, personally I would leave "shout outs" or whatever, ESPECIALLY FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE CLUB, for a later date if the subscription service goes well. Asking collector's to part with $20+ per figure, and then having one of those figures be an inside joke/back slap is just another bad decision.
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Again, personally I would leave "shout outs" or whatever, ESPECIALLY FOR EMPLOYEES OF THE CLUB, for a later date if the subscription service goes well. Asking collector's to part with $20+ per figure, and then having one of those figures be an inside joke/back slap is just another bad decision.
But using a character that can utilize a great deal of existing tooling, but just happens to be a character that uses a real person's likeness is a "bad" decision??
Even if a character that has already been done that way before?
Would making him..........oh, I guess suddenly African-American, appease those that object? Because right there the offending inside joke would be gone.
Seriously, if fans don't "get what THEY want" in this sort of thing........does anyone get to win?
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Don't forget that many of the figures in the main line were modelled after Hasbro employees. Not quite the same, but there is a precedent.
The figure looks fine IMHO. Buy or don't buy. Money speaks loudest to businessmen.
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The original SureFire was created after David Lane to honor him because at the time in Hasbro's eyes he was an uberfan and credit to the collecting community. David conceived and ran the first official Hasbro sanctioned club and news letter, Steel Brigade. I still have a couple news letter copies. To be fair I've met Dave and spoken to him on a number of occasions in person. He is a true fan, collector and a really nice guy.
I think the issue here isn't about Hasbro's past practices or the use of real people as a model for a figure, it's whether or not a "Club" figure not a mass produced figure is intentionally created to look like a specific person. In this case Dave. If the figure didn't have facial hair, it may be a different story. The perception automatically is what's so special about him when there are several hundred members of the Club (who he in a sense works for) aren't given the opportunity to have a club figure made of them. It comes across as arrogant and an abuse of position since he is on the creative team. I don't think that was the intention, at least I hope not.
I like the figure from a figure's stand point controversy aside.
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Very well said Realboss.
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Maybe they should make a contest among the subscribers and the winner would get his/her likeness on a figure on the next subscription line up. Might calm those who are in an uproar about Sure Fire.
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Didn't they run a contest for the Steel Brigade guys who came in the six-pack? This kind of stuff has been done before.
Personally I never had an issue with the heads on SureFire and Big Brawler. It would have been preferable to get Shockwave and Outback's heads instead, but there was a reason why we didn't. We were getting a lot of new heads on old figs at the time because a survey had been posted on YoJoe.com and one of the popular ideas was to release frankensteined repaints with new heads to save on costs. (look at Crossfire) Apparently Hasbro was high averse to creating new tooling that resembled action figures conceived in the 80's.
Judging by how well the 25th stuff took off, it's hard to argue with them.
Anyhoo, this SureFire is an (expensive) easter egg. I'm not going to get one, but for the people who think it's neat, I'm glad they're getting the fig. I'm sure the 25th Big Lob I'm eagerly anticipating will get made one of these days.
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Now THAT is a decent remake:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/BigBoa.jpg)
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What is the blue mask for?
I agree, nice figure.
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What is the blue mask for?
I agree, nice figure.
Word from the club, from their FB page is that the mask for for OTHER figures to wear when they spar with Big Boa. He's a trainer, after all.
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huh, funny, i just wrote a scene in my fan-fic with him in....
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I wonder what the face is like under the mask...always wondered that as a kid too :D
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All 12 figures. I don't have any idea who the 13th free figure is.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Final12.jpg)
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I didn't notice TNT's silver base until that shot. Odd.
So, based on the 12 figures we have and assuming the 13th figure will be in the same vein, what do people think? How many winners do you see? How many winners would it take for you to subscribe? From the time you saw the leaked list to today, how have your impressions changed, what hopes were met, what weren't, what was exceeded?
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BOOM!!!!!!!
Now that is a Grand Slam!!! (Baseball, not the figure ;D)
This is a great update. All the classic elements are there with a the modern styling. Add in the accessories and the changeable hands and voila!!! A figure every bit worth the $20+ dollars they are going to be asking. Too bad I'm still not in for a subscription.
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All 12 figures. I don't have any idea who the 13th free figure is.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Footloose.
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I didn't notice TNT's silver base until that shot. Odd.
So, based on the 12 figures we have and assuming the 13th figure will be in the same vein, what do people think? How many winners do you see? How many winners would it take for you to subscribe? From the time you saw the leaked list to today, how have your impressions changed, what hopes were met, what weren't, what was exceeded?
Well here is my breakdown of what I see in the 12 figures, personal opinion of course. Mostly based on would I pay the expected asking price $20-$25 (not including shipping or club membership).
Quarrel - Great to add an accurate international figure to go along with the other ones the club has produced. Fairly faithful to the original. I would buy it, but not as a club exclusice/sub. I'm just not that invested in the international brands. So No, but a really good figure.
NANO-Bat - A repaint that I don't care for, and certainly don't care enough to pay the price on. The 90s are over, no more neon/dayglow figures. This is a no.
Topside - Aonther really good update with only minor differences that don't ruin the figure for me. I like it and it is one of the few later new Joes that I really liked. I would say yes to this figure.
Dice - Faithful to the original while modernized, which is an important factor for me. However, I don't have much care for the character so while I would get it, I also wouldn't miss not getting the figure. A yes, but not a strong one.
Tan Grunt - Another faithful update with an ingenious accessory to tie him to his ARAH counterpart. Not one of my preferences for the first subscription lineup, but a yes for purchase.
Iron Klaw - Nice to have an homage to another line (ala Trakker/MASK). Overall nice figure, but no personal interest in the character or figure, and not worth the price. It is a no.
Barrel Roll - A figure I actually own from the early 2000s and one I am familiar with to a small degree. I wouldn't mind it, but I would have preferred ARAH figures over other eras. I understand why they did what they did, and this figure is probably one of the few really popular characters of that era. I think they missed the mark on colour scheme and choice of helmet. This is a no.
Jinx - Really nice figure with some interesting design choices. I like the update to the 2000s era version, but again I would have much preferred the ARAH version. Nice giure, not worth the price. Another no.
TNT - Again another fairly faithful update to an international figure. Overall the same points as with Quarrel. An okay figure, but a no.
Sure-Fire - I won't bother going into it again. Don't know the character, don't care for the colour/parts choices and it is not worth the price. An easy no.
Cover Girl - Overall a pretty close update. The head is definitely the killer for me on this figure, otherwise it would have been an easy yes. However having another Sparta figure with a different colour of hair and a jacket is not enough. An unfortunate no for me.
Big Boa - Horrible figure!!! KIDDING! As I said, this is a really good and faithful update, WITH accessories out the wazoo!!!! Easy, easy, easy YES.
Overall I like the idea, but I think the character selection was a bit too diverse to go with the inevitable asking price. Along with some poor/questionable design choices. Again I feel that for the first subscription lineup they should have gone with an ARAH heavy lineup. For all the talk about diversity in the community, ARAH is still the top seller, much like G1 for Transformers was until the movies. (Among collector's at least). The club has done this for awhile now and while trying to be everything to everyone is a nice idea, it rarely works in buisness.
I have the feeling that if this does well enough to warrant a second round, we might see a more ARAH focused lineup. Just my guess though.
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All 12 figures. I don't have any idea who the 13th free figure is.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Footloose.
Isn't he the membership figure this year (2012)? That you get for free if you sign up in time?
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All 12 figures. I don't have any idea who the 13th free figure is.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was Footloose.
Isn't he the membership figure this year (2012)? That you get for free if you sign up in time?
Crap, forgot about that. So your right.
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Overall I like the idea, but I think the character selection was a bit too diverse to go with the inevitable asking price.
This is something I've contemplated since the reveals started. The club has said the FSS figures would be available for individual purchase but in limited quantities. That basically means a customer hopes to like all 12 revealed figures and have enough faith in the 13th figure to want it sight unseen. Yet the club chose a respectable mix of characters from a chasm wide variety of points in the line as well as international figures. So if you're just an 82-86 collector, there are a couple of figures aimed at you (Grunt, Cover Girl). If you're an 87-94 collector, there are a few figures aimed at you (Big Boa, Topside, Dice, arguably Jinx). There's Iron Klaw for Extreme fans, Surefire for Collector's Era fans, Barrel Roll for new sculpt fans, Jinx has a touch of Sigma 6 influence, TNT and Quarrel are for international fans, and Nano-BAT is for fans of unreleased figures we knew about.
I ask myself how many collectors cross over enough of those fan bases to want even a majority of the figures. Contrast that with is there any one fan base big enough to support FSS if they were the only target. If this year's theme was filling out all the characters from between 1982 and 1987 who have not been updated, would that sell enough subscriptions? That is if Hasbro even let them. This year alone Hasbro is releasing Airtight, Lineline, Sci-Fi, all the remaining Dreadnoks and all of Slaughter's Renegades.
I know if they released one or two Sigma 6 or Tiger Force inspired modern era figures, it wouldn't be enough to get me to subscribe. I would literally need 10 of the 12 to be exactly what I want before I subscribed. And at that point it's more of a boxed set than subscription line.
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Anyhoo, this SureFire is an (expensive) easter egg. I'm not going to get one, but for the people who think it's neat, I'm glad they're getting the fig. I'm sure the 25th Big Lob I'm eagerly anticipating will get made one of these days.
You mean this figure?!!
http://gijoeclub.com/clubexclusives10.cfm#biglob
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Overall I like the idea, but I think the character selection was a bit too diverse to go with the inevitable asking price.
This is something I've contemplated since the reveals started. The club has said the FSS figures would be available for individual purchase but in limited quantities. That basically means a customer hopes to like all 12 revealed figures and have enough faith in the 13th figure to want it sight unseen. Yet the club chose a respectable mix of characters from a chasm wide variety of points in the line as well as international figures. So if you're just an 82-86 collector, there are a couple of figures aimed at you (Grunt, Cover Girl). If you're an 87-94 collector, there are a few figures aimed at you (Big Boa, Topside, Dice, arguably Jinx). There's Iron Klaw for Extreme fans, Surefire for Collector's Era fans, Barrel Roll for new sculpt fans, Jinx has a touch of Sigma 6 influence, TNT and Quarrel are for international fans, and Nano-BAT is for fans of unreleased figures we knew about.
I ask myself how many collectors cross over enough of those fan bases to want even a majority of the figures. Contrast that with is there any one fan base big enough to support FSS if they were the only target. If this year's theme was filling out all the characters from between 1982 and 1987 who have not been updated, would that sell enough subscriptions? That is if Hasbro even let them. This year alone Hasbro is releasing Airtight, Lineline, Sci-Fi, all the remaining Dreadnoks and all of Slaughter's Renegades.
I know if they released one or two Sigma 6 or Tiger Force inspired modern era figures, it wouldn't be enough to get me to subscribe. I would literally need 10 of the 12 to be exactly what I want before I subscribed. And at that point it's more of a boxed set than subscription line.
I think that Hasbro going back time and time again to the ARAH figures we haven't seen updated tell me that ARAH is probably the single biggest fan base. Of course I have nothing to base that upon, but the release of more and more updated ARAH figures, Conventions exclusives (ala Zarana, Python Patrol) and a new tooling for the Skystriker. That seems to me, outside of media driven toys (Movies, Renegades, Resolute), that ARAH is still the driving force, and single biggest group of collectors.
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Anyhoo, this SureFire is an (expensive) easter egg. I'm not going to get one, but for the people who think it's neat, I'm glad they're getting the fig. I'm sure the 25th Big Lob I'm eagerly anticipating will get made one of these days.
You mean this figure?!!
http://gijoeclub.com/clubexclusives10.cfm#biglob
Nope. I've got that one already. ;)
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They are starting to show the card art now:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/quarrelARTweb.jpg)
It's alright but just doesn't capture the feel of the original ARAH artwork.
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THe GIJCC posted their FAQ on the FSS...
G.I. JOE COLLECTORS' CLUB
FIGURE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE:
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
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Q: Do I need to be an Officer Level Club member before I can sign-up for the figure subscription service?
A: Yes, you must be an Officer Level member.
Q: If I paid for the Officer Level membership, does that mean that I will be receiving all of the 2012 subscription figures, plus the bonus Footloose figure?
A: No. You have to be an Officer's Level member of the club in order to participate in the Figure Subscription Service. This is an additional charge and we will send everyone an email when it is ready to take orders.
Q: Will payment be on a monthly basis for the monthly 2 figures releases? What if I want to pay for the 12 figures at once?
A: We will ship 2 figures per month for 6 months. The final shipment will have 3 figures. You can pay in full or in 3 installments.
Q: Can you outline shipping discounts on multiple subscription purchases so the buyer knows the costs upfront. I expect that each monthly shipment of 2 figures could be combined with another set of 2 or more for a shipping discount and I want to know how many total subscription figures could be packaged together per monthly shipment and at what cost?
A: Shipping is calculated by total weight. If you have more than one, they will be placed in another larger box together. Only singles ship via the pre-pack shipping box. You will get to pick the service of your choice before you check out. It is not a flat rate but is calculated by the Post Office and the chosen shipping company.
Q: Can we have a service option where we just get the entire 13-figure set shipped to us at the end of the 6 months?
A: No. There is no way we can store that many items for different people. It would cost more. That's why we did 2 figures a month for 6 months instead of a figure a month for 12 months.
Q: How do I make sure to get the free 13th bonus figure?
A: You must subscribe to the FSS for the full six month service period and not miss your selected payment schedule.
Q: Why don't I see my favorite G.I. Joe figure in the FSS offerings?
A: Individual collector interest is varied over many decades of G.I. Joe. We chose the most requested figures that represented the different eras of G.I. Joe and club member interest. The FSS offers a variety of figures that otherwise are not planned to be sold at reatil or appear in a future convention set.
Q: How were the 13 Figure Subscription Service offerings selected?
A: The GIJCC acquired data from our annual G.I. Joe convention surveys as well as from our membership on the Club Forums. We formulated a top twenty list of possible figures that could be produced with available tooling. We then collaborated with the Hasbro G.I. Joe brand team to review characters, deco and mold availability.
Q: Why does Theodore N. Thomas not use T.N.T. as a code name? Also, why does he have a different colored figure stand from the other figures?
A: All GIJCC figures are official releases and require copyright approval. Note: his code name is actually the initials of his full name. Only the South America themed action figures have the steel colored stands.
Q: I want these figures and need to know how to order the FSS?
A: The online ordering system is being finalized. We will send out notification to all GIJCC members and post an update on the website when it is available.
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Thanks for the Q&A Bandonov!
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This looks a little better:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/NanoBatcard.jpg)
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(http://www.gijoeclub.com/images/2011/topsideARTweb.jpg)
(http://cdn.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-FSS-Jinx_1322591094.jpg)
(http://cdn.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-FSS-Iron-Klaw_1322591094.jpg)
new art...Im not liking the art too much. Which they got Mike Thompson to do it. But I guess its budgetary reasons. Is it me or is that Jinx head elongated? Kind of like they cut off the top of the head painted a headband, then put what they cut off back on top?
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Also, just to show off another full card:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/QuarrelCardArt.jpg)
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you're right, that Jinx head is definitely screwy.
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Gotta love the old joe style art that Topside's art shows!
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Wow, most of these remind me of a member of the Oktober Guard.....Horrorshow!!!!!!!!!!
Just not good, to put it politely. Most characters have some pretty glaring issues with dimensions or perspective. What is up with Quarrel's leg? Jinx's head? Iron Klaw's face, shoulder pads, "claw", oh pretty much all of him???
I'm sorry, but these are adequate attempts at old school card art, but they all seem to come across as fan-made and not professionally done. Maybe some finishing by another artist might help. Yes once the entire package is put together, the figure and accessories will draw some attention away from the art, but I still feel they are not quite up to snuff.
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I didn't want to seem too cynical but I agree with camprime. If this was fan made art it would be pretty decent, but professionally done art that will cost a premium, these fall short.
Put it a different way, if fan made I would give these pictures 7.5 out of 10.
Professionally done, premium figures I rate these 3.5 - 4 depending on the character.
The best so far for the sake of just art is the Nano Bat IMO. Quarrel and Iron Klaw are just awful.
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Big Boa:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/GI-Joe-FSS-Big-Boa_1322687757.jpg)
Now for the sake of comparison, here's the original:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/bigboa-1.jpg)
It just feels like the graphic was traced or something. The lines around the figure just don't look right.
While I'm at it, here's Cover Girl:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Covergirl.jpg)
I'll admit she looks pretty good.
I was also asking them for a close up Sure Fire without the helmet. They finally got that up:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/DavidLane.jpg)
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Jinx card art:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/JinxCard.jpg)
Jinx head shot:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/Jinxhead.jpg)
Grunt art:
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r73/morgardee/grunt.jpg)
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Some of them are realy great and at 20-25$ a figure, it's not so bad. The problem i have is the high shipping for two figures and i have to pay this six time.
If someone can help me to get them and split the shipping. And in a few months, reship all figures to me in one shot!
I will be at the next Canadian convention so, i can take the figures there.
I asked, just in case!
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What is the rough cost that the Club charges for shipping on 2 figures?
I have never done it so I don't know.
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What is the rough cost that the Club charges for shipping on 2 figures?
I have never done it so I don't know.
This has been an on going question. I've spoken to Brain and the GIJCC several times about this. The price is not yet determined but they are working on it.
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Just hope this not what they charge usually, like 25$ for two figures.
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So now apparently they used a digital artist to try and copy the original card art from images provided. Then the artist had to make the necessary changes to match up with the new figure. This would explain the "unusual" quality of figures with no previous card art.
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The Club has posted there Terms and Conditions for the FSS...
http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf (http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf)
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The Club has posted there Terms and Conditions for the FSS...
http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf (http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf)
So let's see......
IF, and I do mean IF, the club is following the dimensions on the USPS website, and the box fits under the "small box" classification then the shipping options are extremely reasonable for Canadians. From a quick check on the USPS website here is what I was able to determine:
First Class - $13.74
Priority - $11.95 (if a small box, if not, then $27.95)
Express Post (only insured option) - $39.80
So if those prices hold true, then outside of having to insure your package, if you are willing to take the cheaper shipping option, it works out to about $6-$7 more per figure for shipping. That's if you only get 1 subscription. More than one and you will have to go with the expensive shipping.
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Finally, it looks like all the emails, posts on facebook and their message boards has paid off:
y. For our Canadian customers, we offer three USPS
options: First Class International (up to 4 pounds) (no insurance/no signature), Priority
International (no insurance/no signature), or Express Mail (insurance and signature are included
with this option)
I have been asking them for a no insurance / no signature policy for years now. I have spoken directly with Brian Savage via direct email showing him the price difference between GIJCC and SmallJoes. It sound like we might have better pricing then $24.25 minimum per shipping item.
It might be time to open the wallet again. ;) Time will tell once we see some prices.
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The Club has posted there Terms and Conditions for the FSS...
http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf (http://gijoeclub.com/FSS%20Terms%20and%20Conditions.pdf)
So let's see......
IF, and I do mean IF, the club is following the dimensions on the USPS website, and the box fits under the "small box" classification then the shipping options are extremely reasonable for Canadians. From a quick check on the USPS website here is what I was able to determine:
First Class - $13.74
Priority - $11.95 (if a small box, if not, then $27.95)
Express Post (only insured option) - $39.80
So if those prices hold true, then outside of having to insure your package, if you are willing to take the cheaper shipping option, it works out to about $6-$7 more per figure for shipping. That's if you only get 1 subscription. More than one and you will have to go with the expensive shipping.
I think I could live with 6-7 per figure, hopefully this will come to be.
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Time will tell, I wish they release the pricing soon!