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General Section => General Joe Talk => Topic started by: BHMike on May 23, 2012, 05:37:41 PM
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Looks to be true. They want to convert it to 3D.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=90579
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/gi-joe-retaliation-to-be-pushed-back-by-almost-a-year.452497425/
http://generalsjoes.com
Stupid move in my opinion.... They hype machine has been going strong for awhile now.
I know 3D brings in a ton of cash for the studios, but to change this 5 weeks before the film is due to come out? Wow.
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Is it Hasbro's call at all?
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Ugh. This does not pass the smell test. Shouldn't they have considered this last year. It is not like 3D just became a big deal in the past 4 weeks. Feels like something else is afoot.
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I'm willing to bet Paramount and Hasbro are now seeing the hype for the movie in full swing, and are re-thinking the lack of any movie-tie-in promotion (Pop, food, etc), and lack of video game promotion tie-in and want to fix that.
G.I. Joe 2 has no video game set to be released as of right now.
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Is it Hasbro's call at all?
No, this would be mostly Paramount's call.
There's a couple of things about the timing though..........this close to release, it's sending a message and that message is that the movie sucks major ass.
That and the post-convert is a desperate movie to inject something, without spending more money on footage, into it to "grab" audiences".
11th hour moves like this are votes of no-confidence in a film.
If the movie had quality legs......they'd release it as is, go ahead with the post-convert and the RE-release it in 3D next March. The film will be making box-office to pay for the convert along the way.
But that is not what they are doing, and its telling. I feel confident there's something WRONG with the movie itself, and they are scrambling like hell to try and fix it.
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Well, as said, usually a move like this indicates major problems with the content of the film. That usually means it is a piece of #$%^
However there is also the idea being tossed around that with Avengers killing it, and Dark Knight and Spiderman coming out (especially Spiderman so close to Retaliation), that they want a better weekend to rule the box office. If this theory holds any water, I don't understand why they would wait until next year when there are lots of weekends this year to push onto.
Hasbro can't be too happy with this. The toys are already at stores and now they are going to hit with no supporting media, so I expect sales to be pretty dismal since kids are not going to be caring with DK and Spiderman toys hitting the shelves along with Avengers. Yes 2 of those 3 are Hasbro lines, but it still means an even lower return on the investment of GIJOE toys thanks to the lack of a movie.
Also, what does this mean for future waves?? What are they going to do? Put of wave 1 of everything and then say "sorry, wait until next year with no new product for 6 months" If they still go forward with the line, what does that mean for when the movie finally hits? Rehashing waves 1-3 in the hopes people won't notice that it is the same stuff from 8 months previous? Invest more money into new items?
Man this is a mess from top to bottom.
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Also, what does this mean for future waves?? What are they going to do? Put of wave 1 of everything and then say "sorry, wait until next year with no new product for 6 months" If they still go forward with the line, what does that mean for when the movie finally hits? Rehashing waves 1-3 in the hopes people won't notice that it is the same stuff from 8 months previous? Invest more money into new items?
Man this is a mess from top to bottom.
If you really want to damage a brand, this is how you'd do it.
The sad truth that every GIJOE collector ( all scales) needs to come to grips with is that their beloved toy-line is the largely, unwanted red-headed step-child of the toy aisles. Its been the case for a long long time now, and the mid 1980's are long past us all. GIJOE is definitely at or very close to its nadir.
I'm not one to seek to doom-say......but...........this is doom-saying.
The brand is an ugly political football for Hasbro-licensors, retailers and broadcasters.
What's gone right in the past decade?
Nothing.
Oh the quick ones point out POC, and 25th Anniversary, but those were good product that was sometimes bizarrely marketed or distributed. In all practical terms, you cannot say a sub-line is a success when you can find it, but many fellow collectors cannot find it at all in different parts of the country.
You look at Sigma Six, 40th Anniversary, DTC, Renegades, Resolute....ROC...........and something about the stuff was excellent and something about it was completely half-assed. The property just can't win.
And we are looking at a street-date going live in 5 days for a movie-tie-in toy line that.....now has no movie to go along with it......for 9 more months.
hey, how many retailers are going to loyally sit on all that stock and follow-up shipments for 9 months? And then gladly place order the next time something with the name " GIJOE" comes along??
Where the incentive? What's the track record? There's probably no more than a couple grand worth of stock going onto the shelves in a few days.......not a lot of dollars in terms of the daily take of these retailers.....but its also not a product line that carries any weight in stirring up orders. GIJOE is just not a brand-name that very many of Joe Q. Public give much of a damn about.
Man, I've loved me GIJOE toys and stuff for a long time now, in various incarnation for 45 years now--since I was a we lad. I have followed the travails of this toy-line since the early 1990's--learned some sobering things along the way. Seen some great toys made, seen a LOT of frustration take place.
This push-back move by Paramount is an act of desperation, and that is the hallmark of something disastrous. Its going to affect everything to do with this brand.
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I think Hasbro just wanted to trump the GIJCC when it comes to dropping the ball.
Funny how WWE via John Cena was making all the G.I.Joe references for this summer. This can't do Dwayne Johnson's acting career any good. I just watched Journey 2 last night and my 5 year old thought it was good. My wife and I cringed then whole time at the rushed story and horrible acting. Don't get me wrong, I want him to do well.
Also, this pretty much ensures that none of the cast of G.I.Joe Retaliation will be back for part 3 (if that ever happens).
I expect 2 things to happen:
1) The toys will be on clearance by the middle of the summer and we will only see waves 1 and 2 of the figures.
2) The movie will end up going straight to video.
Yep, I'm not seeing this as a good thing.
I wonder how Fun Publishing is taking the news. The reason for New Orleans was a movie tie in and they had a movie night planned. This one is NOT their fault. Man, they just can't catch a break this year. :(
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Wow, not good. Talk about deflating the balloon. Granted I had virtually no interest in the movie toys, and I thought the first movie was terrible, but I had some hope for this movie. And I also feel that a successful movie is good for the brand, so from that perspective this is really disappointing.
I can't help but wonder how much hasbro was involved in this decision. What does this mean for the line?
Wow.
:o
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This is terrible news and I agree with those who believe the movie must be a clunker. It may not be and the previews looked good, but this is just odd.
My bigger concern is what happens to the toyline. Will we get non movie products between now and March 2013? Feels unlikely, but what do I know. Its too bad really. So much for the 30th anniversary line that was one promised.
Now, as a practical matter the items I am looking forward to are
1. Customs
2. Joe Con - Oktober Guard
3. CJC Set
4. FSS - if the Club ever launches it
From Hasbro proper? Nothing.........not a good way to manage a property.
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Wow dark year for Joe Collecting! Wish they did this sooner so we could have at least had an extended 30th anniversary line! I was going to cherry pick from the movie line but I guess it will be around for another year and a half till the next movie comes out? Hopefully Hasbro can put together some more 30th anniversary figs for us during the time between.
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Maybe in desperation to get stuff out that isn't movie related they'll put out Kwinn and Dataviper. Ha, yeah, wishful thinking, but I reallly want that Kwinn figure!!!
What are retailers gonna think having ordered a boatload of retaliation stuff only to find out there's no movie to support it? How is hasbro gonna get retailers on board to support the line for the rest of the year? Or even next March? Or do they care? My mind is still boggled! :o
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I feel like I've been kicked in the "yo joes". :o
It baffles me why Paramount and MGM would do this. If it is because The Avengers is making a bunch of money and they hope to do the same with G.I. Joe, I'd rather see the movie released now and bomb, and finally put G.I. Joe out of it's misery.
It has been a mishandled property for years, which is a damn dirty shame because G.I. Joe is one of the most important things in my life. I just want G.I. Joe to be treated with the proper respect it deserves. It is the best toy is the history of toys and I would love for it to hit the main stream like it did in the 80's.
I feel sorry for the retailer's who've invested thousands of dollars into the toy line. I hope this publicty gets fans rushing out to buy the toys and they disappear off the shelves (after I get mine of course).
It's not too late for Paramount to change their minds and have the movie released June 29th, with a 3D extended version to come out in March (wishful thinking I guess).
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I'm too upset to leave a constructive comment.
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Maybe in desperation to get stuff out that isn't movie related they'll put out Kwinn and Dataviper. Ha, yeah, wishful thinking, but I reallly want that Kwinn figure!!!
You and me both, brother. Personally, I think Kwinn will be the NY Comic Con exclusive.
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Apparently, and take this with a grain of salt, the real story is that the movie screened very poorly so Paramount decided to pull it and reshoot / refilm part of it. Makes sense. I have no idea whether this is true, read it on another message board. Sounds plausible though........this is clearly a last minute decision. It is not like 3D technology was just invented last week.
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I feel sorry for the retailer's who've invested thousands of dollars into the toy line. I hope this publicty gets fans rushing out to buy the toys and they disappear off the shelves (after I get mine of course).
Here's the thing......if the toys don't get pulled.... and go out for sale.....its not going to hurt the big retailers at all. It'll likely carve up the small retailers some though--and those folks are rubbing elbows with us here.
I officially stepped out of buying the Retaliation line a couple months ago......and I've not altered that stance. I'd support the retailers here if the product itself was worth buying.......but I think its not.
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well, that's an epic cluster-screw. only upside i see is at least now Britain might get it when America does.
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Echoing what has been said, the 3D thing is likely BS. Every film comes out with a 3D version these days. Switching from a summer to March release shows little faith in the film.
I will be ensuring that if I see it in theaters that I will not be seeing a 3D version.
Hasbro doesn't seem to care about the brand. Why should I?
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Echoing what has been said, the 3D thing is likely BS. Every film comes out with a 3D version these days. Switching from a summer to March release shows little faith in the film.
I will be ensuring that if I see it in theaters that I will not be seeing a 3D version.
Hasbro doesn't seem to care about the brand. Why should I?
OK. I take the 3D part back. Apparently Chu said in March that they didn't shoot in 3D due to time and cost constraints.
Does this tie in anyway to the terrible performance of Battleship? Suck every dime out of them?
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Chu's explanation does not make sense. So, they did not shoot the film in 3D because of time and cost. But now that Battleship bombed, they suddenly free'd up money to re-shoot in 3D and release it during March, not exactly summer blockbuster season?
Time and cost were an issue last issue during filming, but suddenly is no longer an issue following Battleship? Don't buy it.
Think about it....the movie gets pushed out 9 months (so much for the time issue), will cost more b/c of 3D (so much for the cost issue) and actually costs even more if you factor in lost marketing dollars spent (e.g. Superbowl 2012 advertising, etc.).
So, if they just decided to do it in 3D initially, they would have saved money, time and released the film during peak movie season. This apparent about face, suggest Paramount has no clue what is doing. While some folks may believe that, I don't think that is the case. Yo don't get to be a major movie studio by being clueless.
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well, it's Hasbro not Paramount that's taken a hit off Battleship as it was a Universal release.
but if this is Hasbro's decision, they're screwing themselves because the toys are either not going to shift with no movie to push them or are going to sit in warehouses collecting dust for 9 months taking up space.
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I know zero about retail, but I believe warehouse space is a limited resource. I can not see stores putting inventory in the warehouse for 9 months and then hoping for the movie will come out in March after getting already burned once. Products may get stolen and the space can be better used for inventory that will move now.
Similar, I believe retail shelf space is limited. Without a movie, these products won't move very well. Thus, I believe stores will not put them out b/c the space can probably be better used.
Thus, I'm guessing these products will just get dumped on dollar stores by the retailers pronto.
Again, that is just one man's guess.
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Coming soon to Winners...
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Reading snippets this morning that re-shoots have been and are underway, and more scheduled.
Also that test screenings did very poorly.
That's the tell-tale folks. The movie blows chunks in its current state. The 9 month-delay is an attempt to fix it.
IMO, this resets EVERYTHING to zero. All the stuff said, all coy fannish comments from the director, the cast.....all of it is suspect now. There's a host of things that could be wrong, but its a safe bet the story does not deliver, and THAT is a serious flaw. Story is the foundation of a movie, and if the beats and key moments are missed.....or are weak......then the story crumbles.
Heck, I'm reading missives on various sites claiming that test screening questionnaires are asking (among other suspicious questions) if audiences wanted " to see more Channing Tatum"!!!
3D conversion my ass!!
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Apparently, Paramount sees Channing Tatum as "more of an asset now". Guessing that is from the screenings.
The previews looked good. I wonder what went wrong?
Maybe Rock / Bruce Willis tried to make it funny (which we did not see in the previews) and it failed.
Maybe it was too cartoony, like RoC. Who knows.......
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You know guys. I'm still in awe over the fact that the movie's release was pushed back. I think I'll jump to something else instead, best thing to do when I feel down...
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Coming soon to Winners...
Or Giant Tiger.
If it goes the way of Star Trek then we'll see these in Dollarama.
It's going to be an interesting summer, that's for sure. 8)
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well, for me, there is one positive in this: i can afford to see The Bourne Legacy now.
yay.
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Maybe there is hope for Renegades season two. Ya right. This is Sunbow's GIJoe the Movie all over again.
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I know the biggest question asked at the Convention to the Hasbro reps will be WTF?
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Since some stores are supposed to already have the Retaliation toys in their backroom, can we still hope to see some new Joes in Canada next week?
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Since some stores are supposed to already have the Retaliation toys in their backroom, can we still hope to see some new Joes in Canada next week?
I don't see why not. Hal already has his stock in.
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A friend of mine asked a TRU employee and she said they have retaliation product ready to go in the back for the 28th. So it should be ready to go here in Canada. Too bad the movie isn't! :P I can't imagine the movie issue stopping product from appearing now. That ship has sailed.
Isn't the first wave of stuff only marginally related to the movie? Like mostly the packaging? I've not paid close enough attention, but I guess it would be fitting if there's no movie for the toys to look like anyway!
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Apparently, Paramount sees Channing Tatum as "more of an asset now". Guessing that is from the screenings.
The previews looked good. I wonder what went wrong?
Maybe Rock / Bruce Willis tried to make it funny (which we did not see in the previews) and it failed.
Maybe it was too cartoony, like RoC. Who knows.......
For a couple of months now........I've had a growing disquieting feeling about the movie.
I loved the trailers just fine, got me stoked.... but something......I couldn't put my finger on it until last week....and even then.....the quality of the trailers didn't let me embrace this idea:
There's not a whole lot of scale here.
For an "army movie"....the trailers never show more than about a dozen people in any shot--often less.
Now granted, the premise here is that the Joes are gutted as a force and that COBRA rolls in and takes over. But not even COBRA gets any juicy numbers on screen here.
No sense of scale here.........and no sense of a climax here.
Based on the premise, and the shots we'eve seen in the trailer-the locales shown more or less reveal their place in the story.
New Orleans is likely around the part of the climax, because of the big glorious shot of RoadRock on the Ripsaw hip-firing the M2. So all the shots of the Ripsaw rolling around are from there too.
So is the Ripsaw the "big weapon" to save the day? That.............feels kind of light-weight to me.......like something cooked up in the A-Teams garage--and we all remember how cheezy that was.
And then there's the shot of Roadrock firing a SAW minimi while fast-roping Aussie-style inside some base-like location--a rocket gantry, a refinery? Another PIT? THE PIT???
.....and there's the whole Ninja Mountain stuff....I cannot juxtapose how all these bits fit into the body of the film ( and that is actually a good thing)--but when I read that the movie is in trouble.........then it raises questions to the surface.
But back to that sense of scale......
If we are expected to believe that the GIJOE team is capable at all, and that a handful of them can save the day......then it raises the proper question: What do we need the rest of 'em for? If you don't bring in that army into play, that sense of scale.......my story sense calls that unsatisfying and awkward.
I suspect now, they are going to pull the "coma" card....and have the Joe team playing possum throughout, and arriving over the hill at the 11th hour to save the day........ and Duke will be leading the charge.
That is typically "GIJOE" and it might be something that can help the movie....but it all depends on what the rest of the story is like.
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I know the biggest question asked at the Convention to the Hasbro reps will be WTF?
I think it'll be a safe bet the reps will plead innocence and will genuinely not know what the reasons really are. This is Paramount's call, likely with the grudging okay from upper-level Hasbro management.
That's fair, in the end--because they are just reps attending a small social/media event with a small attendance........having ready answers for that small a crowd isn't going to be a priority.
Attendees will likely get more info from on-line over the next month than they will over the entire 3 days of the con in June.
This is something that the reps have no control over, and pestering them on it will only create ill-will. If the prying minds focus on things that the reps like DO have some control/traffic with ( designs, marketing, etc) then fans will probably get something insightful-if only tangentially.
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Bro's
I really don't know what to make from the choice. I just know we all love the franchise and there have been many things the past while that have been shooting it in the foot and this is the biggest one.
As a community and collectors, we will get pass this fight...just as Joe's do in the comics and tv....this is a time that our joe characters would just wait and see what really happens because knowing is half the battle, take it with grace and dignitiy...that doesn't mean you can't be mopey, but it'll pass because this franchise is made of fans that are awesome just like the character we love.
peace and patience.
crazylegs :P
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Maybe they'll through in the other Joes from the first movie.
Bottom line is it sounds like no Joe movie or cartoon show for quite a while.
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For a couple of months now........I've had a growing disquieting feeling about the movie.
I loved the trailers just fine, got me stoked.... but something......I couldn't put my finger on it until last week....and even then.....the quality of the trailers didn't let me embrace this idea:
There's not a whole lot of scale here.
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You know, you really hit the nail on the head. I liked the trailer, but you are right, something was off. Couldn't figure it out, until your post. The trailers seemed like it was the story of 5 Joes, which is un-Joe like when there are so many great characters.
Moreover, there was somewhat of a lonely feeling about the movie. Hard to describe, but the Joes get smoked in the first scene (presumably), than we don't know what happens, than they break into Bruce Willis's house in the suburbs and then there is a climax fight scene (presumably). What do they do most of the time between the first and last scene? Run? Hide? Are they even in the movie? Seeing Joes sitting around a kitchen table with Bruce Willis planning just seems, sort of lonely and sad...maybe it is just me.
Plus, there is a sort of Sixth Sense about the movie....outside of Roadblock punching FF, we never really see the Joes in the same scene with another person, right? Again, that just gives it a lonely, Sixth Sense vibe.
I'm not a big fan of the movies where you just follow a few characters on a journey...feels like the Wizard of Oz a bit. Roadblock, Lady Jaye and Flint could just as easily be Dorothy, the Lion and the Tinman.
Okay, I digress.
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I think I got a little less excited after seeing the 2nd and 3rd versions of the trailer.....u never saw any new scenes. Yes, I know, they don't want to give everything away.....but I sort of started thinking maybe that was all they had.
Plus, although it looked good for fans, did it really look like an over the top blockbuster? I don't think so.
I saw a friend of mine tonight who is an artist on movie properties (he does a lot of super hero films). As soon as I told him about the delay he said, "oh that's not good....that's obviously not the real reason.....they screened it and it must have bombed." I know we have pretty much established that by now, but figured I would just chime in.
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http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/big-problems-behind-g-i-joe-2s-big-delay/
the real resons for Retaliation's delay?
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http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/big-problems-behind-g-i-joe-2s-big-delay/
the real resons for Retaliation's delay?
Sounds as real as anything else we've heard so far.
I will say this, Paramount is baffling. When I worked in the theatre business almost 10 years ago, they were the only company that didn't put their movies in full 5.1 stereo!!! They would release action films in basically mono!!! It never made any sense to us then, and I would guess that if the "prominent player" is true then it hasn't changed much since.
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3D sucks though. i usually try to avoid it.