And yes, we did agree on an amiable solution, but Mike also made it very clear to EVERYONE who witnessed the event, that it was not be spoken about. That what happened in that room stayed IN that room. He said this multiple times, and then he decided to start this thread about the topic, after he requested that we don?t.
Colin, YOU are a flat out liar.
There are witnesses in that room - I'll 'out' the folks that were there if need be, but I did NOT say anything of the sorts to you. Not once, not twice, and sure as hell not multiple times.
I made my points abundantly clear that night as to why I was so pissed off with what happened. I'm glad everyone enjoyed themselves, but unfortunately, I won't be doing anything like this again - MAINLY due to what I consider unfair (to everyone else) way Colin got the figure.
IF Deadshot didn't want it, then he shouldn't of bought into it at all.
Raptor had no interest in it - so he bought none. I was the force behind the figure, so out of fairness I opted to not purchase any tickets as well.
When Deadshot won it, and he was willing to trade it, then perhaps he should of taken 'trade offers' from each person that was there...... All that happened was Colin rushed up to him, offered to buy it, then traded for it.
That immediately made a few people angry at the show and they approached me about it..... They felt it was unfair since THEY all wanted it as well. True, you did purchase 30 tickets for it - but you still lost - TWICE.
Had people not been saying "He's not here - do another draw", I wouldn't of felt pressured to HAVE the other draw. When I did, even while doing so it was bugging me. 2 people had even said to me that I shouldn't do that other draw anyway.
Talking after the fact and saying "I would of hit you" is heresay..... Does it mean I would of? No. Does it mean I wouldn't of? No. Neither of us know.... I can honestly say that I wouldn't of done so.
Currently, the poll I put above is at 5 for Ken to have it. 4 for Colin to have it. Seeing as Aire just joined this board (obviously to voice her opinion HERE instead of emailing me directly - which I was expecting - but didn't get). and Colin is a member of it - that accounts for 2 of the votes for him.... the other two.... I'd assume one is Deadshot (who obviously lied to me then since he HAS the two figures anyway) and (out of friendship) the other would be Condor Knight.
I find it interesting that Aire (not talking to me - or posting for anyone elses info first) has come to her own decision.... then again.... Colin is her son.
As for everyone leaving, at that time, MOST were already leaving - some already had and have NO CLUE about what we're talking about..... There was still 6 or 7 folks left after everyone 'officially' left - how do I know for sure?..... We ALL came back to the store.
Yes, I did say I would of kicked your knapsack if you didn't trade back.
But this is what led up to it:
When I confronted you about the trade, and informed you that Deadshot wanted to trade back, you started saying stuff about 'In business you can't do those things - when a decision is done - it's done.'
This wasn't business....... this was a hobby and Deadshot had told me that he had changed his mind. HE even went up to you and asked to trade back. I (and a few others) watched as he did it - you said NO.
So I explained to you how you lost the draw the same as EVERYONE else in the place.... should Deadshot want to trade back (which he told me he did), then you should be man enough to do so. You told me No.
You made it so difficult to make you understand that what you did was wrong (by not trading back), that yes - I threatened your BAG and the toy inside. Fo you to come out here on this board and say that I DID threaten YOU directly is a flat out lie and everyone in that room knows it!
I accept 100% blame for the entire evening.... the good parts... the bad.... all of it. I don't care anymore. For awhile now folks have known that I've been loosing my love of this hobby.... That night renewed my faith in the fact that not everyone is into these toys for 'just money' or greed. It was all about the love of the hobby.... the enjoyment of our childhood heroes. One person even said that this was fun and that he'd been away from it for far too long. That told me that this meet did it's job. It made everyone appreciate the hobby for what it is..... fun. When I posted this thread, all those feelings I've had in the last few months started to come back.... the greed, lying, backstabbing, scalping and other crap that goes on in this hobby... that's why I almost closed a month ago. There's far too many people like that in this. Colin, you made your point how much you love this hobby that night..... as I did I. True, my voice got loud.... I got angry. But I NEVER lied in my post above and said YOU said something you didn't.
As I said. I'm done. This is pathetic. It's a custom figure.... that's it.
Aire, no offence, but you weren't there - so you really have no say in this matter until you've talked to all the other people that were in that room - including myself and Deadshot. heck.... Even then you're just taking peoples words for it - and I highly doubt anything you hear will go against what your own son has told you.
Already, Radio guy posted saying that I didn't physically threaten your son at all..... your son then came out here and lied saying I did.
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I guess he thinks the other folks in the room were actually just sitting in chairs and NOT listening right..... they were listening.... how could they not.
The thing is.... there WAS a second draw - That's just the simple fact! and it was Mike who decided to have it.
Yes... you're right. I decided to because people wanted a winner - and they started saying it out loud to have another draw. When I came back after leaving for a few minutes, Colin and Blake were right there saying "It's been 15 minutes, He's not back".
So I did the draw. I didn't want to..... but I did.
Mike had previously taken Deadshot out of the room and bullied him as well -- Deadshot came back into the room white as a sheet!
Bullied? Deadshot.... I never bullied you. I spoke to you in the hall and merely asked questions and told you my opinions..... Again, no offence Aire, I'd like to hear from Deadshot on this and not have someone that wasn't even there say what I did, or did not do. Deadshot?....
Threatening bodily harm to my son to keep it in Canada was definitely NOT COOL!!!
Which is why I never did that. NOT AT ALL. I never once threatened your son with bodily harm. If the others that were there would post and say if I did or not, that would end THAT portion of this I'm sure.
As to who should get it....
Well, you essentially "stole" it from my son -- I don't know why you should have any decision making powers over it!!
In the hallway I asked Deadshot that if he got it back, could I borrow it to take a good, clean, crisp picture of it since I couldn't take a good one in there. He said yes. He said it was no problem. I told him I would mail it to him this week. Once Colin DID give back the figure to Deadshot, and Deadshot gave back the two figures he got from Colin, Deadshot then put the figure ontop of his stuff on the table. A few seconds later I asked him if I could still borrow it to take the pictures. He HANDED it to me and said "oh yeah... sorry". I thanked him.... How does that have me STEALING it from your son?..... Not at all. SERIOUSLY. Your son never passed it to me - it went from Colin to Deadshot, to the table, to Deadshot, to me. WTF?
As for any 'power' I have over it.... It states on the back "NOT FOR RESALE". It states that to cover my own ass, and to ensure that I don't get a letter from Hasbro over it.
"Intellectual Copyright". - Look it up please.
If I make money off of the name 'G.I. Joe' on an item that was not approved by Hasbro, I can face a huge fine. This is why we had a raffle for it. NO money was made from the MOC figure during the raffle. I've done all the paperwork from the meet now, and the meet had an 'entire' profit of $8.67. I suppose I could split that with Pete the Greek and Loop for the gas our vehciles used while all three of us did driving around for it.... so I will. Loop, Pete, I owe you guys $2.89 each. I know we're technically in the hole due to the cost of gas... but hey... I don't want to get sued by Hasbro for having that figure MAKE a profit.
NOT FOR RESALE. A trade for an item(s) at a higher value means that the figure (AT THE MEET) made a profit from it. Therefore, since Bounty Hunter Toys and JoeCanuck.com's names are on the back of it - and it says in detail how the figure came to be could result in the owners of those two places (ME again.) getting a fine from Hasbro if they decided to take action - WHICH they have been known to do in the past and will no doubt do in the future - all because money was made from an item having the 'G.I. Joe' name, likeness, and logo on it.
I'm sure that's taking things a little extreme, but since so many people at the meet were annoyed and pissed off with how Colin got the figure, all they would have to do is contact Hasbro and viola! I'm screwed, and my store is closed - therefore resulting in me facing a fine or worse.
So yeah.... since I made it, and I raffled off the thing... I think I did have some say in what happened with it at the meet. Hypothetically speaking, lets' say Deadshot and Colin did their trade at Deadshots that night..... none of us would be any the wiser and therefore I wouldn't give a crap.
Since it was done at the show that I put together, and with a warning posted right on the back of it..... I NEEDED to ensure that the winner of the item owned it. This "the first winner should have it" stuff was in my mind at the meet (whoever would of won it), and has been bothering me for all this time. That was actually the intent of this thread.... because it was bothering me and I wanted to know how others felt about the fact that Ken wasn't there when he won.
You made a big point before the con, letting everyone know that you needed to be actually present to get a convention figure -- Taht seemed VERY important to you!
By the same token, you made the decision that in order to win the raffled MOC figure, you needed to be present...
You HAD to be at the meet for one simple reason... the figure was for the attending people ONLY. Otherwise we would of had people from all over the world wanting to 'BUY' a figure..... We weren't selling customs to make money off the damn thing, we well selling them as a means for us to break even and help cover the costs of the hall rental and such.
The MOC version NO ONE had a clue about until they showed up that day. Therefore, I never said you needed to be there to win the raffle ticket.
It would of been a given of course since the raffled figure would onlt be eligible to those who attended.... Ken attended. Is it his fault that he had to leave due to having to take care of his daughter? He said he was coming back - he didn't. How do we know something didn't happen to him or his daughter and that's why didn't come back? He was there - he paid for tickets. He bought 10 before he left - then later on I went around and asked everyone else if they wanted any. Why would he buy ten tickets and leave? He had planned on coming back and he had no clue when the draw was. So yes.... you had to be there in a sense for the draw to purchase a ticket since NO ONE knew about it until you got there. Had Ken NOT been there, he would of never known about the draw or the figure. Nothing was said that you had to be "THERE" when the actual draw was being made.
Therein lies the entire basis of this ORIGINAL thread. Ken WAS there - he bought tickets. He wasn't there when the winning ticket was drawn.
Had I not felt pressured due to people (I have no clue who or how many) saying 'He's not here', do another draw!', then Ken would still be the original winner of the figure. Which apparently some folks on this board feel he should be.
The first person, wasn't there, so he forfeited.. (That's hard, but it's reality and it's only fair - everybody else went by the rules!!)
But as stated above, we had no 'rules' for someone that had to leave to take care of his daughter.... If you don't show up for work because you 'suddenly' needed to tend to your son, does that mean you should be fired? No. Family comes first. He shouldn't be punished because of it.
The second person who won it, Deadshot, won it fair and square - and once it was his, it was his to do as he pleased!!! Even if you don't like his choice. It is HIS choice!!!
NOT FOR RESALE. Kinda explains itself in my opinion. That's my view on anyone trading it. Well documented above.
He opted to trace it to my son, Colin, because he knows how much Colin wanted it - the lengths to which he had done everything in his power to get to the convention - and he knew that, by letting Colin have it, it would be featured in my upcoming book and the CXanuck Con and Bounty Hunter toys would get lots of great press!
He opted to trade it? Maybe he felt pressured to trade it?
If he didn't want it, he should of given EVERYONE the option to trade for it then. He wasn't given that choice. Bottom line is, he shouldn't of bought into the raffle if he had no interest in it then. That's a discussion I'd like to have with Deadshot then..... since things that were said with me and Colin, and on this board don't seem to add up with what Deadshot said to me.
I think it was really decent and cool of him to do that!
Yes, you would. It was your son he traded with. What about the other people that were pissed off about the trade? They weren't happy about it. Since I seemed to be the 'main guy' in charge of the meet, I talked to Deadshot and he asked to switch back with Colin. Colin didn't respect the fact that Deadshot had changed his mind - or that others were angry.... so I became angry with him. It's great that someone wanted it so much..... but don't sit here and say that it was COOL of Deadshot to trade it to your son..... WHAT IF Deadshot had traded it to Damned Viper, or Loop, or Raptor...... would you still think it was so cool? Would Colin think it was cool? I'd be just as pissed off regardless who got it..... so I didn't think it was so cool.
Bottom line, Deadshot won it fair and square -- Whatever he wished to do with it was his business and not yours or any one elses!
Again, you weren't there, and you haven't seen it, but it does clearly state NOT FOR RESALE - which I've explained how it does concern me above.
-- and you first try legalese on him (Hasbro said it couldn't be sold and trading it was tantamount to selling it... By the way, was Hasbro really involved in the production of the figure -- if so, that's really cool!)
If Hasbro was involved with it in ANY way at all - I wouldn't care what happened to it.... not one bit. But the 'bottom line' is that hasbro had NOTHING to do with it.... Which is why the figure wasn't to be traded or sold.
My son is a cool kid and I am so glad that he surrendered the figure to you rather than risk escalating the violence-- Maybe the police should have been called in - but it is over - you took it from him.
Your son is a real cool kid. I got along great with him the entire night. He couldn't seem to grasp the fact that the figure was my butt on the line as far as it being sold, or traded. Can you honesly blame me for wanting to protect my own ass?
He didn't surrender it to me - he traded back with Deadshot. WHY he left the figures with Deadshot when he went home is a mystery to me.... perhaps they still planned on doing the trade anyway? If you didn't mention it here I wouldn't of known would I? So don't say I took it from him - when I didn't. Deadshot loaned it to me to take pictures. I don't appreciate being attacked here for something I didn't do. I yellled at your son. I yelled pretty damn loud at some points. But I never made any attempt to go towards him, threaten him, or did I make any physical attempt to go towards his bag. Saying something is one thing.... attempting it is another. Getting angry, voicing my opinion, and then resolving it is another. Deadshot SAID he wanted to swap back. Don't put ALL this on just me. Had the police been called..... NO ONE would of gotten the figure, and Colin may of gotten a fine for being in possession of an items that violates Copyright laws. I would of gotten the fine as well for being the creator of it.... once the Police knew Deadshot owned it and swapped for something of a higher value, HE may of gotten a fine as well.... NO ONE would want to claim the figure was theirs then would they?
By the way, if it was so important to you to keep the figure in Canada, why did you let Colin participate in the raffle? He bought 30 tickets!
You know..... I wasn't the only one that would of liked it to stay in Canada.... but it wasn't a 'rule'.... I would of been 150% content if Colin had won it fair and square. The problem is.... he didn't.
Someone else did. And now based on two things that Colin has said either on this board, or to your Aire, this isn't going to end soon.
Colin claims (going from this thread) that I physically threatened him in the room with other people in it. No bloodyt way in hell would I EVER do that. The only time I will physically harm another is if my family, friends, or business is being threaten. None of those 3 happened. Was I pissed?...... Without a doubt! But I NEVER physically threatened him.
Colin also claims that I 'Bullied' Deadshot in the hallway..... I don't recall bullying him in the least..... I asked what happened and said I'd like him to trade back (without going into the entire "NOT FOR RESALE" thing) - and as far as I knew, he had changed his mind as well...... apparently since he now owns the two figures that were originally traded for - he's changed his mind again.
I 'need' to hear from others in that room. Radio Guy has spoken up and said he never saw or heard any threats of physical harm to Colin....
Agent_Loop
StarViper
Scramble
Deadshot
Beach Head
Condor Knight
Pete The Greek
Jon S.
Radio Guy
All of these guys were still at the hall when I was with Colin.
Radio Guy has stated that I didn't do that.
I'm interested in hearing from the rest of the guys in the room.
Mike
Scramble is on joecustoms.com - so we'll need to get him over here.
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