Post by: Pete The Greek on April 13, 2006, 01:32:51 PM
(http://http://www.mastercollector.com/neat/gijoe/neworleans/images/2006_FULL_RAHbox.jpg)
(http://http://www.mastercollector.com/neat/gijoe/neworleans/images/06_mortalcardweb.jpg)
(http://http://www.mastercollector.com/neat/gijoe/neworleans/images/mortalSM2.jpg)
If it's a straight repaint, I will so fu*king ticked off.
Post by: Jon S. on April 13, 2006, 01:53:11 PM
In any case, this set is starting to look really cool. However, doesn't each set have 3 Joes to fight the bad guys? Is this year different?
Post by: Raptor on April 13, 2006, 02:53:38 PM
Quote from: ""Jon S.""
In any case, this set is starting to look really cool. However, doesn't each set have 3 Joes to fight the bad guys? Is this year different?
I was wondering that too. There should be three joes. They will be Duke, Shipwreck and Sgt. Slaughter. No idea if they will follow a similar paint scheme or not. The Shipwreck will feature the V1 head and come with polly.
Raptor: never wrong about these things.
Post by: Jon S. on April 13, 2006, 03:15:27 PM
Post by: Redmao on April 13, 2006, 03:59:30 PM
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 13, 2006, 07:16:26 PM
Quote from: ""Jon S.""
If the new Duke is a decent repaint of the '92 version, I may have to put some serious thought into getting this set....
The Joe figures will be in a two or three pack. So you don't need to get the 15 figure set.
Post by: morgardee on April 14, 2006, 08:20:09 AM
http://www.yojoe.com/action/89/wildboar.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/action/89/wildboar.shtml)
Now that head wouldn't fit on a version one Snake Eyes body, so I could be wrong. It just looks like that to me.
Posting number 666. :evil:
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 14, 2006, 03:34:09 PM
And I don't want Duke in this set. The focal point of the Joes is Slaughter and Duke is higher up in the rankings. I don't need some mythos to tell me this. Now to bring back Shipwreck V1 would be sweet.
Post by: Jay on April 14, 2006, 04:09:35 PM
Post by: Tattoo Shane on April 14, 2006, 09:04:04 PM
At the very least, reissuing this might drive down the demand for an original and those of us who have to have the real thing might be able to snag one for a touch cheaper. ;)
Post by: Raptor on April 15, 2006, 01:06:32 AM
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The only way I can accept a Snake Eyes v1 body if the figure has swivel arms.
Pete, the straight arm molds for long sleeve 82 joes have been gone for 20 years. I remember reading somewhere that they were destroyed There's no way that a straight armed figure would ever happen.
I believe that the rogue part will be an action marine waist. Say what you want about master collector, but they don't make crap quality "broken out of package" figures like TRU or even DTC do.. Comic pack snakeyes is busted because of the use of the incompatable RB waist. I can't see brian putting up with that.
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Post by: Jay on April 15, 2006, 02:13:21 AM
Still, I'm disappointed in the choice of body... I would've liked to see Mortal use later parts, like something post-84. All the other figures in the set have a good amount of bulk to them, and then Mortal is using scrawny 82-83 body parts... he'll stick out like a sore thumb... :|
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 15, 2006, 10:29:04 AM
Quote from: ""Jin""
Still, I'm disappointed in the choice of body... I would've liked to see Mortal use later parts, like something post-84. All the other figures in the set have a good amount of bulk to them, and then Mortal is using scrawny 82-83 body parts... he'll stick out like a sore thumb... :|
I agree. I want this figure to have some bulk. If it's the comic pack, I can live with it. But the figure will stick out like sore thumb with the rest of the figures in the boxed set. I guess we will see on Monday on what parts are used. The boxed art may be a minor swerve.
The filecard should be interesting, regardless if he doesn't fit into the so called "mythos" (god, I hate this fanboy term, who the hell came up with this).
Post by: Deadshot on April 15, 2006, 12:47:29 PM
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I can't see brian putting up with that.
I can't eaither, not just for qualitys sake, but for that fact that people will bitch and moan about it, if it does break.
Thats a hellova headache I"m sure he doesn't want to have.
Post by: morgardee on April 17, 2006, 11:32:32 AM
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2006, 11:33:21 AM
(http://http://www.mastercollector.com/neat/gijoe/neworleans/images/mortalSM2.jpg)
A straight repaint of the 97 Snake-Eyes, right down to the bad-fitting Roadblock waist. This is way uninspired even by Master Collector standards, and completely kills the set for me.
Chrome is definitely one of my least favorite things to have on a toy because of how weak chromed plastic is, and because of how easily it rubs off.
MasterCollector definitely made a mistake with this figure, and I can't believe they didn't realize this when the figure wouldn't even pose right for the photo.
Post by: Jon S. on April 17, 2006, 11:38:14 AM
I think I will pass on the set and get the Joes seperately if they're any good.
edit: HOWEVER, he does look better than the original. This will definitely sink the value of the old one by up to $100.
Post by: Raptor on April 17, 2006, 11:53:49 AM
I really do. Anyone picking up a second set that doesn't want it? I'll pay $20 cdn for it + shipping.
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Post by: Deadshot on April 17, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
Post by: Jon S. on April 17, 2006, 11:57:02 AM
Post by: Agent_Loop on April 17, 2006, 07:37:54 PM
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I think he would've been better if he was see-through instead of chrome. Oh well...
I agree, I was hoping he would have been translucent, and not just an imitation of the original.
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 17, 2006, 07:50:28 PM
(http://http://img132.imagevenue.com/loc289/th_30478_1.jpg) (http://http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc289&image=30478_1.jpg)
Here is cynical view of the figure. I bet that some people involved with this figure are happy to release this version, only to devalue the original one over time so they can get it on the cheap. Why else would you use the skinny Snake Eyes body? It's an out dated body and mould.
And I am still pondering on whether I want a bag set. Those accessories in that crappy MC grey are horible. Mould them in black.
Post by: Redmao on April 17, 2006, 08:06:30 PM
Speaking of the club... when in the month are we supposed to receive our letter and stuff? My membership is supposed to be effective as of april, yet I havent received anything yet...
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 17, 2006, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: ""Redmao""
Speaking of the club... when in the month are we supposed to receive our letter and stuff? My membership is supposed to be effective as of april, yet I havent received anything yet...
I haven't received my washroom reading material this month either. You can never have enough paper.
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2006, 10:41:30 PM
I'll say, the idea to use Mortal was good, although his functions don't match the original Argentina character (who was Artillery and something else)... I just wish they had used some better parts than just a direct repaint of 97 Snake-Eyes... :|
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 17, 2006, 11:23:00 PM
Post by: Jay on April 18, 2006, 02:28:30 AM
Quote from: ""Pete The Greek""
Picture fixed, including yours which was changed by MC as they altered the accessories.
Thanks.
That new weapon is an improvement... but... the text clearly says this figure will have hard forearms like any figure made before 1997. Normally this wouldn't be a problem, except for the fact that they got the brilliant idea to give Mortal a new sculpt sniper rifle with a handle too thick to be held by old sculpt hard plastic hands. I dinno how they pulled it off for the pic, but I suspect some broken thumbs on this figure thanks to the rifle.
Personally, while I like the fact that he has a color scheme now... I still hate the scrawny mold and the bad, bad waist... So I'm thinking I'll just skip this year's set (which is a shame, because if the final figure had been good, this would've been the first con set I would've wanted since Undercover Jinx.) and if I ever want a Mortal real bad, I can just make one with the help of red dye and ChromeTechUSA.
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2006, 08:29:29 AM
The red dye would be difficult if not impossible on a black figure and almost every mold of that type has been cast in black - Unless maybe you can get Pete to donate his white snake eyes for it. ;-)
You'd also have to get a good red paint to stick to the chrome. That's going to be a cast iron bitch, because the chrome doesn't take paint well. I know it was a pain in the ass for MC, because they even make mention of the fact in the announcement.
So if you can buy the figure for less than $35 you're ahead of the game, and get the swivel arm articulation to boot. I will consider chometeching a 82 waist for him if he won't stand straight (the fact that he's posed on a stand suggests that...) but replicating the paint for even the belt would be a pain.
It's going to be a bitch tracking this one down. I can even see some folks spending coin to army build these guys, because it would be such a novelty.
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Post by: morgardee on April 18, 2006, 09:13:21 AM
Hey Raps, keep us posted if you go thru with the Chrometech thing. I might do that as well. I've been wanting to give that a test.
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2006, 11:18:58 AM
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Hey Raps, keep us posted if you go thru with the Chrometech thing. I might do that as well. I've been wanting to give that a test.
I got quotations. He hates doing small scale joe stuff. He's also not fond of Canadians. He will only take Certified Cheques or Money Orders, which add about 7$ to the cost for me. He's also unsure of the shipping costs, so he'd prefer that I send him one cheque for the work, then one for the shipping home.
I asked him for a set of quotes. he quoted me an average of $3 a part (Mostly heads), as opposed to the $2 a part he quoted to Nova (From Joe Customs) for silver and $3 for gold.
I have a fairly large project, and I really can't afford to lose the parts that I've collected to do it, so I'm hoping that an alternative shows up. If not, I'm likely going to send the parts to an american, and pay to have all the shipping done through them. The cost of doing this puts the project on the backburner for the time being. :-(
I'm not giving up on it, but I need to save up the spending money to do the project correctly, and there are so many other things that I am interested in getting right now.
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Post by: morgardee on April 18, 2006, 01:25:32 PM
Pretty sure I want to try the Comic Destro head, origanl 13 waist and maybe a comic Snake Eyes to make a new spin on De Aco some time. No stealing my De Aco idea either.
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 18, 2006, 01:40:53 PM
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 18, 2006, 01:41:52 PM
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Hey Pete, the reason the weapons are grey and not black is MC group wants thier weapos to stand out from the rest of your Joe weapons. That was actually brought up over at the MC board.
They better change their stance on this. Most people hate this colour.
Post by: Jay on April 18, 2006, 02:26:25 PM
Quote from: ""Raptor""
The red dye would be difficult if not impossible on a black figure and almost every mold of that type has been cast in black - Unless maybe you can get Pete to donate his white snake eyes for it. ;-)
So if you can buy the figure for less than $35 you're ahead of the game, and get the swivel arm articulation to boot. I will consider chometeching a 82 waist for him if he won't stand straight (the fact that he's posed on a stand suggests that...) but replicating the paint for even the belt would be a pain.
I never said I was going to use an 83 Snake-Eyes. That'd be dumb. I'm thinking of using post-85 parts to make him fit in with the rest of my collection. The parts I'm thinking of using are mostly white, so the red dye would work just fine. As for the chroming, well... you got me.
But the point is, if I just want an 83 Snake-Eyes in chrome, I'd just buy the MC figure. What I want is something different. Something a bit more original and less dated. I bet if Plastirama had access to more than just 82 figures, they'd have made Cobra Mortal with better parts.
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
I have no problem throwing a few parts into what I am sending along to share the costs. I have someone in mind to help me with it. It'll have to wait a month or so until my hobby account recovers from the joe meet and the Marauder release 2 weapons.
If you want to get in contact with him, call the number on the site, it will reach him in his shed. ;-) There realy isn't a good time to call, but I kept getting the guy's son, who assured me that Dad would call back. He didn't or didn't get the message.
Pete, Did you need some particular parts re-chromed? I'm sure that I have similar parts that I can send in so that you wouldn't have to send the rarer ones.
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Post by: Pete The Greek on April 18, 2006, 04:31:46 PM
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Pete, Did you need some particular parts re-chromed? I'm sure that I have similar parts that I can send in so that you wouldn't have to send the rarer ones.
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Mortal parts and a De Aco head. And you can see why I didn't want to lose the parts. I have a spare Mexican Snake Eyes figure I could use instead.
Post by: Madman on April 18, 2006, 05:53:14 PM
Raps what makes you think he's not fond of canadians?
As for Mortal, my opinion is that it's a cool fig for the collection and display, but serves no other purpose in the joe verse. Plus he's got hard plastic for the lower arms, which means watch out or else broken thumbs. For the price you're going to pay, you want to be really careful. It's really screaming display piece. I've got mixed feelings for this one.
I know you guys had this discussion of whether he's a robot/cyborg or not based on his FC, but I look at him, he screams robot to me. What person would be running around in that sort of costume/outfit? armor? I'm not so sure about that.
The effort was there for MC, but the execution is off. To me, just rehashing the SE mold with the roadblock waist that's been released I don't know how many times in the past 5 years is lame. I know some of you will say, it's great that we will get a mortal and otherwise would never had a chance to own one. I do agree with this argument.
However, some will argue that MC was trying to get it as close to the original as possible, that's just weak and lazy on their part. If they really wanted to do that they would have grabbed comic pack short fuse's waist and arms or anybody else's waist. The body, waist and legs just don't mesh together. MC could have used some better parts (post 85) to recreate Mortal and it would have looked a lot cooler while all of us would still have a chance to own one. I would have preferred this route and in grey instead of chrome. This way it would fit the characters filecard. If he's a sniper and an assassin, you shouldn't be able to spot him.
Post by: Raptor on April 19, 2006, 08:57:04 AM
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Raps what makes you think he's not fond of canadians?
I talked to him on the phone. He said, "I don't usually like dealing with Canada". (meaning internationally I think, or maybe Canada in particular) He was dismissive, and affrontish, but he may just have had some bad experiences.
I know that Nova from the joe board deals with him regularly and has never had a problem, so I wouldn't class him as a bad trader or anything, he just didn't really seem interesed in my business or the additional hassle of dealing with a Canadian.
He's also primarily a hot wheels collector, so I'm not sure that he cares much for action figures in the first place.
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Post by: Raptor on April 19, 2006, 09:02:03 AM
Quote from: ""Pete The Greek""
Quote from: ""Raptor""Pete, Did you need some particular parts re-chromed? I'm sure that I have similar parts that I can send in so that you wouldn't have to send the rarer ones.
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Post by: Pete The Greek on April 19, 2006, 10:49:09 AM
There has to be somebody in this country that can do it.
Quote from: ""Raptor""
I'm doing a white one. ;-)
Well that is going to save you about 4 grand US. And what about PDD?
Post by: Jon S. on April 19, 2006, 10:56:19 AM
http://www.evilface.com/otherscustoms/p ... destro.htm (http://www.evilface.com/otherscustoms/pimpdaddydestro.htm)
Post by: Raptor on April 19, 2006, 01:33:49 PM
Quote from: ""Pete The Greek""
I have a complete Mexican Snake Eyes to use. Croming on black plastic would be a problem as the De Aco head was black or cream coloured.
There has to be somebody in this country that can do it.Quote from: ""Raptor""I'm doing a white one. ;-)
Well that is going to save you about 4 grand US. And what about PDD?
The PDD has the base coat on it already. I have perfect front back and side shots to work from, and I've even done a paint test of the spotting pattern.
It's so damned easy to do that I can't get the motivation up to finish it. It's a 40 minute job from beginning to end, and doesn't even involve painting arms. There just isn't that much difference between it and the 97 Destro. I have no idea how these got to be so expensive considering how easy they are to duplicate. If I wanted to spend $100 on a special coating resin (instead of paint) it would be completely indistinguishable from the real thing. Makes you wonder if someone else hasn't thought of that too...
Pete: I was under the impression that black plastic chromed fine. I take it that the mexican one has a blue base color? The mexican one would certainly feel a little more like a foreign one for plastic quality. Are the heads chromed past the neck?
If I can find someone in this country to do it, I'll go for it. I think I may pick this project up again next month. I'll do some research, and if anyone is going to bot con, please take a look for someone that does that kind of work.
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Post by: Pete The Greek on April 19, 2006, 03:11:37 PM
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Pete: I was under the impression that black plastic chromed fine. I take it that the mexican one has a blue base color? The mexican one would certainly feel a little more like a foreign one for plastic quality. Are the heads chromed past the neck?
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As for the Mexican figure, it is all molded in black. It's pretty much like the American version.
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 19, 2006, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: ""Raptor""
The PDD has the base coat on it already. I have perfect front back and side shots to work from, and I've even done a paint test of the spotting pattern.
It's so damned easy to do that I can't get the motivation up to finish it. It's a 40 minute job from beginning to end, and doesn't even involve painting arms. There just isn't that much difference between it and the 97 Destro. I have no idea how these got to be so expensive considering how easy they are to duplicate. If I wanted to spend $100 on a special coating resin (instead of paint) it would be completely indistinguishable from the real thing. Makes you wonder if someone else hasn't thought of that too...
And this why have been gun shy to get a PDD figure.....
Post by: Raptor on April 20, 2006, 08:44:10 AM
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