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General Section => General Joe Talk => Topic started by: morgardee on May 24, 2012, 02:51:16 PM
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Looks like they finally got it going. Only attending package being sold today:
http://www.gijoecon.com/no2012/
They also have some info on this years guests. The first one they have is Neil Ross. He was the voice actor of Dusty, Buzzer, Monkey wrench, Wong ans Shipwreck. I'd love to get his autograph on my box set. There is a Shipwreck disc in that set. So far I have Zartan and Baroness autographed. :)
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In the brochure it says that Will Ryan is a guest too. He voiced Footloose and Mutt.
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In the brochure it says that Will Ryan is a guest too. He voiced Footloose and Mutt.
That makes sense. They will have Footloose MOC, just like last year when they had Dial Tone.
I wonder if that means who ever they make for the 2013 membership figure will be there in 2013.
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Now it could even be the Rock.
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Now it could even be the Rock.
I doubt the club would make a Road Block / The Rock figure. Sure, he would be a great replacement for Slaughter as the Joe drill instructor but with a boat load of Rock Block figures about to hit the shelves I don't think the demand would be high.
I'll admit I was hoping the club was going to have at least one actor from the movie at the convention, but I guess that's not going to happen. They would have mentioned it by now.
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i think he meant the Rock as a guest next year.
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i think he meant the Rock as a guest next year.
Yes, more time to plan it into the Convention. However I think the Rock is at the pinnacle of his career and would command a hefty fee.
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Honestly I was sort of hoping they would have had the Rock this year as it's in New Orleans where the movie was filmed. Highly doubt they would have held that piece of info back. Saying The Rock was going would have won over more people who might have been sitting on the fence.
Still, mighty cool that they have Neil Ross and Will Ryan. They had 2 voice actors last year as well. Maybe getting 2 voice actors is their new tradition.
I did ask on facebook if they would try to keep the club exclusive / voice actor trend going and they said something like they would like to try but it's not always possible for those things to happen.
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Looks like they finally got it going. Only attending package being sold today:
Quick, let me get out my credit card.
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Hey guys non attendie registration is up! Hurry and get your sets!
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Just signed up. Apparently, someone tried to purchase a bagged set and they were sold out already. That went quick. I just wanted 1 boxed set, so I'm happy, but I would not wait people.....this looks like it will be in high demand.
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Can't do it. $400 before shipping and taxes. I love the oktober guard, but not that much. :( I suppose I could sell the iron grenadiers to get some of that back, but I can't just drop $500 right now.
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Can't do it. $400 before shipping and taxes. I love the oktober guard, but not that much. :( I suppose I could sell the iron grenadiers to get some of that back, but I can't just drop $500 right now.
It is a shame really. The club has been slowly, steadily increasing the price of the sets over the past few years. I understand the costs involved and the increases worldwide for materials, rent, etc.
However I really do wonder what, if any, breaking point there will be for both the Joe and TF fandoms? I mean how much will it take for people to balk at the price? $400? $500 a set? That doesn't include the other attendee exclusives, and now the club has added "golden ticket" premiums? The club has been very lucky since the dark early days when both the ARAH and TF sets were lucky to sell (minus the orginal Crimson Vipers) and have little aftermarket value. The past 5 years for TFs and the past 4 for Joe have been sellouts (mostly) at the show. That is partly good planning, but also a bit of luck.
The club is due for another "meh" year with one of the fandoms and the con set. Not that I am wishing for that, but the law of averages is starting to weigh against them. Sooner or later they will hit on a set that doesn't, or just barely, sells out. I honestly think that IGs in this years set would not move if brought to retail, and the Oktober Guard are what is selling this years set. The subscription service is another example of this where, if we are honest, the ARAH updates are really the only ones that will hold their value aftermarket.
Like others, I am glad to see the club doing updates that Hasbro either won't, or can't be bothered to do. As well smart choices like the PP Stinger last year, are fun, but I still wonder about the future and pricing.
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I hear you Canprime, but the non attendee sets sold out in less than 3 hours! Got mine, so I'm happy about that.
You are right on the price....it ain't cheap. I'm not much into troop building, so for me the only value is in the individual characters (e.g. Daina, Horror Show, etc.).
There were 7 individual characters, but one was just created for the set. So, 6 guys you have heard of. So basically, $350 / 6 figures = $60 per figure. Damn, this is an expensive hobby.......
That said, it is cheaper to buy them now, than to pay $100+ for the non troop builders on E-Bay next year. Made that mistake last year........
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I hear you Canprime, but the non attendee sets sold out in less than 3 hours! Got mine, so I'm happy about that.
You are right on the price....it ain't cheap. I'm not much into troop building, so for me the only value is in the individual characters (e.g. Daina, Horror Show, etc.).
There were 7 individual characters, but one was just created for the set. So, 6 guys you have heard of. So basically, $350 / 6 figures = $60 per figure. Damn, this is an expensive hobby.......
That said, it is cheaper to buy them now, than to pay $100+ for the non troop builders on E-Bay next year. Made that mistake last year........
You're right of course Emags. However what is left for the club, Joe-wise, to do for sets? Tiger Force, Night Force, another International set? That would cover 3 more years without much effort. So they probably haven't got much to worry about for awhile. Then what? Go the TF route and do an alternate universe set with bad guy Joes and good guy Cobras? I can see that working for a year or two more.
So I might have been wrong, they may have a good 5 years with probably high interest sets.
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You guys are looking at the Joe teams. Don't forget when they did the Head Hunter set they made a swat team for the Joes. They can also focus on building sets around Cobra. I'm sure in the next 5 years we'll see the Plague as a convention set.
Look at last years Joe Canuck set. All new characters based off the winter 7 pack and International Scarlet. A lot of dye jobs, hand painting and 3rd party heads and there was all new characters. GIJCC has the advantage that they can pick from any existing mold and get them painted in a factory as well as have new head sculpts made.
Trust me, they are not going to run out of ideas any time soon. If I was in charge I could probably think up about 5 years worth of exclusives in a day time, without much effort.
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year 1: SAS Force
year 2: Z Force
year 3: Space Force
year 4: Q Force
year 5: modern Shads
year 6: more South American stuff
year 7: Night Force
less than 3 minutes.
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year 1: SAS Force
year 2: Z Force
year 3: Space Force
year 4: Q Force
year 5: modern Shads
year 6: more South American stuff
year 7: Night Force
less than 3 minutes.
Who would go up against them or are you doing all 15 figs the same series?
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You guys are looking at the Joe teams. Don't forget when they did the Head Hunter set they made a swat team for the Joes. They can also focus on building sets around Cobra. I'm sure in the next 5 years we'll see the Plague as a convention set.
Look at last years Joe Canuck set. All new characters based off the winter 7 pack and International Scarlet. A lot of dye jobs, hand painting and 3rd party heads and there was all new characters. GIJCC has the advantage that they can pick from any existing mold and get them painted in a factory as well as have new head sculpts made.
Trust me, they are not going to run out of ideas any time soon. If I was in charge I could probably think up about 5 years worth of exclusives in a day time, without much effort.
The point I was making, was not what ideas are there left, but rather, what ideas are left that will sell.
Look at past sets, stuff like the Dreadnoks, or MARS. They didn't move like recent sets (ME especially) have, and they were cheaper. Didn't they still have loose sets from years past up until this year?
Like it or not, ARAH "canon" stuff moves, while original ideas are much riskier and haven't done as well both at retail and for the club.
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year 1: SAS Force
year 2: Z Force
year 3: Space Force
year 4: Q Force
year 5: modern Shads
year 6: more South American stuff
year 7: Night Force
less than 3 minutes.
And in that 3 minutes you hit one series that is North American (Night Force).
Not to repeat myself, but "canon" stuff is still the big seller/draw. Hence why the huge rush over the Dollar General releases. International stuff would be nice, but I don't see Space Force or Q Force being big draws for indvidual years. Combine them and you would probably sell out.
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Look at last years Joe Canuck set. All new characters based off the winter 7 pack and International Scarlet. A lot of dye jobs, hand painting and 3rd party heads and there was all new characters. GIJCC has the advantage that they can pick from any existing mold and get them painted in a factory as well as have new head sculpts made.
I'm a big fan of the 2011 CJC set. It was very creative, the new heads were sweet and I liked the added use of color vs. 2009 and 2010 Do we know when the 2012 sets will start getting previewed? Curious to see what this year will bring us in the mythos. I still need to get through the old comics before then to catch up.
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It is always fun to speculate on potential Convention Sets. I wonder if a Ninja Force set could be possible, just based on the sheer # of ninja sculpts that seem to be available. Plus, it could tie in to the movie a bit (grated that's a stretch). I liked Sky Patrol too.
Night Force and Tiger Force are fairly obvious / easy ones, I just never got into them. That was sort of at the end of my initial collecting days and they just felt like cheap repaints.
Some, we will probably never see.....BattleForce 2000 and Mega Marines come to mind. Frankly, I'm okay with that !
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I'm willing to be 2013 will be Night Force. I'm an active member on the GIJCC message boards and there was a lot of people asking for Night Force and the Sky Striker (Night Boomer). They have a (or had before the web site went down) a section for suggestions for future convention sets. It's been on going for years and if you read through it all you can see how some of the ideas have made it. Take for example a few years ago the Coil being part of the convention set with Major Bludd. There was some very load requests for the Coil, and they got it (minus Serpentor). Most recently there was seferal threads of people asking for Night Force, including myself.
Before they released the information on this years set being Oktober Guard I was mentioning Night Force as a possible idea and they responded with something like "this years set has been in the works for a long time" or something along those lines. They were saying that the current set was in production before everyone started to ask for the Night Force set.
In regards to ninjas, there has been a fairly loud anti-ninja message sent to the club. I doubt we will ever see a set based on ninjas.
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year 1: SAS Force
year 2: Z Force
year 3: Space Force
year 4: Q Force
year 5: modern Shads
year 6: more South American stuff
year 7: Night Force
less than 3 minutes.
Who would go up against them or are you doing all 15 figs the same series?
SAS Force set: Eagle, Beaver, Sparrowhawk, Quickfire, Stakeout, five SAS Force Attack Troopers, Big Ben. 3 Cobras of some sort. attendee exclusives: Some redeco Armadillo vehicle avec Hunter, a redeco Dragonhawk avec Chopper.
Z Force set: Skip, Gaucho, Jammer, Scout, The Doc, Six Z Force Infantrymen, 4 Cobras of some sort. Attendee exclusives, Z Force RAM, Z Force redeco Vamp avec Wheels, a redeco Z Force Ferret called the Stoat.
Q Force set: Dolphin, Shark, Phones, 4 generic Q Force Marines, a new Wet-Suit, 6 Eels or Undertows. Attendee exclusives, a redeco Wave Crusher with Surfer, a Q Force redeco 'Fangboat' as the Sawfish.
Space Force set: Sky Raider, Moondancer, Hot Jets, Kiwi, Hawkwind, Payload and Countdown, 6 Astro-Vipers. Attendee exclusives, some new version of the Satellite Defence, a redeco Skystriker in SF colours.
Modern Shads: Black Major, The Baron, Red Laser, Red Wolf, six generic Red Shadows, Skymate, Recondo, Outback and Beach Head in a mission in Australia. Attendee exclusives: Red Jackal and a redeco HISS as a new Hyena, Red Vulture and a redeco Stinger as a Shadowtrak, a redeco AWE Striker.
S American: Fuego, SOS, Sokerk, Biomassa, Biosfera, Biologico, a TF Airtight, Cesspool, six Hazard Viper repaints. Attendee exclusives, Clean-Sweep and a Eco-Striker redo, a redeco Hazard-FANG and a redo of the HISS as the Septic Tank II.
Night Force: Bunch of NF guys, Six Night-Vipers, attendee exclusives, Night-Armadillo redeco, NF AWE Striker or VAMP with another NF guy.
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In regards to ninjas, there has been a fairly loud anti-ninja message sent to the club. I doubt we will ever see a set based on ninjas.
To be fair, a lot of that has to do with the non - strategic way Hasbro marketed the Retaliation toys. Ninja Roadblock, Ninja Duke, Nina Jeep, etc.
Ninja Force was never that popular, but I think there is some love for them now....enough time has passed :)
I, for my part, have a customs Ninja Force team that a tanker named Bad Sociologist did for me.....very good stuff.
But, I hear you, very unlikely.
Not too excited about Night Force, but I think you are right. Of course, I'd probably pay it anyway (damn u, OCD) and a Night Boomer would be awesome. I'll admit that.
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I myself like ninjas. I have always thought they were cool and the way Larry Hama built this world around them in the Joe mythos is hands down brilliant. The only problem I have with a Ninja Force set is I'm sick of the thousand incarnations of Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow. The only way I'd be interested in buying the Con set is if these two individuals were offered as convention exclusives outside of the 15 fig set so I would have the option of not getting them. HMMMM I might be on to something.
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thing with ninjas is, its a hit with kids. My nephew LOVES ninjas. He will play with some of the joes I leave out for him to play and he will always play with the ninjas rather than the military looking guys. I think the thing is adults dont tend to like ninjas as much.
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ninjas are fine in small doses. conservation of ninjitsu. too many ninjas ruins things.
GI Joe 1982-1990: a total of 3 ninjas: Snakes, Stormy and Jinx. all well and good.
GI Joe 1991-1994: Nnjas out the wazoo, line dies off.
clearly too many ninjas.
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To be fair, the line was dying in 1992 with or without Ninja Force. Remember Mega Marines, Eco Warriors, StreetFighter II, Star Brigade, etc, etc. They were swinging a lot, and missing even more.
I like Ninja Force, but realize they are not for everyone. Slice & Dice are pretty good and Banzai is one of my favorites b/c he is just such an "out there" character. I even have a custom of have that is spot on.
You could work Budo in a NF set.......apparently, Hasbro was looking to release him as part of the 30th.
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To be fair, early 90's ninjas were the trend. They were competing with TMNT, and to be honest I had left Joe for them. Oddly enough, the TMNT nostalgia never hit me like Joe did. Aside from some limited edition prints last year, I never got into getting them again, though the newest classic lines might change that.
Anyways I digress.
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I jumped into Star Brigade, Street Fighter II and Ninja Force feet first when they came out. I was *super* stoked to have that "whirlwind" Storm Shadow figure and even happier when I got the t-crotch Snake Eyes.
My only issue with the toys as a kid was the weapon trees. I also noticed that we were getting a lot more repaints of the same figures with minimal difference. (i.e Wet Suit, Firefly, Snow Storm, Night Creeper Leader)
My fav figure when the line finally died?
This guy:
http://www.yojoe.com/action/94/scifi4.shtml
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Neon weapon trees, have to be among the worst ideas Hasbro ever had. Yuck!
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spring-loaded missile launchers. BLECH.