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Yearly CanJoeCon Discussion / The MOC Version of the Figure.
« on: February 09, 2004, 07:21:35 PM »
This is all really nuts!!.
When Deadshot came back into the main room (right after Mike talked with him in the hall) he walked up to me. He looked sad, he stared at the floor, while he was talking to me his voice was hard to hear and his speech was broken. So, when he asked me to trade back, I was perplexed. It seemed to me like he was doing something that he didn't want to do, and that is why after he asked me, I questioned him if it was really something he wanted to do.
It was at this point that Mike came over to us and started being belligerent. And Deadshot slunk away and left the room. He was clearly not comfortable with how Mike was acting.
The threats Mike made occurred at this point!!!
Mike, you did threaten me - You KNOW you did!! And you threatened my belongings!! And others know it too!
And, you DID tell us all not to talk about this publicly! Why on earth would you deny that?
But back to the trade and Deadshot:
Ya see, when Deadshot and I initially made the deal he was REALLY happy. When he had seen the crimson twins earlier that night, his jaw dropped, he was so excited to see them in person. So when he won the MOC figure, I asked him if we could possibly trade. I definitely did not force him to, In fact, I asked him multiple times if he was SURE that he was happy with the trade BEFORE the toys actually exchanged hands. At this point, Deadshot's voice was clear and he was smiling. He even told me, and I quote "I already have my personalized figure, what do I need another one for?" He had been so happy with the deal: he had his other Canadian Ranger, and now he was going to have the Crimson Twins, figures that he genuinely wanted.
Considering his excitement, it was confusing for me when he came back up to me asking to trade. The only thing that I knew had happened between the two events was that other people at the meet had been noticeably unhappy with what he had done, and Mike had taken him into the hall away from everyone else to talk to him about what he had done.
Mike, I am offended both for me and for Deadshot, that you would believe that after the conversation that we all had, you would think that DeadShot was still going to trade with me. When you comment on the fact that he still received the Crimson Twins, it seemed as though you were accusing DeadShot of 'going behind your back' to trade with me again. I gave DeadShot the figures the following morning because I had seen the excitement in his face when he first saw them, and again later when they were in his position. I knew that he would enjoy them and love them. These were my intentions, not trying to get the figure. Mike and I had made a deal, and that was that.
Now Deadshot has the figure, the twins, and that nice Viper Glider that he wasn't able to get earlier in the evening because he didn't have enough cash on him.
I saw Deadshot's home, and it is obvious -- from the FLAG in his Kitchen, to the posters everywhere, to the countless shelves lining his walls, and to the boxes of other stuff he had -- that Peter truly loves these toys.
The reason that I have posted on this board has nothing to do with trying to get the original figure back. The reason that I am posting is because of the way that Mike deliberately intimidated me and treated me.
Mike - you do know don't you, that there have been a lot of places in this thread where you say one thing, and then later you say something different... In fact the number of times you do that is absolutely amazing!!!
When the first draw was made, Mike, it was YOU who first suggested that there be a new draw saying that you have to be present to win!!!, and then other people agreed that there should be a second draw - then someone (I don't remember who) said that Ken said he would be back by 8:00, and you made the ruling that if he was back it was his, otherwise there would be another draw. When 8:15 rolled around, I did ask you if you were going to have the other draw, but I was not the only one interested. I did buy 30 tickets, but like everyone who contributed, I was happy knowing that if I didn't win the money was going to the convention, I even said that.
Mike, if you truly intended to give the figure to Deadshot after "borrowing it" to photograph - then why on earth did you start this thread to try to figure out who to give it to -- and to try very hard in the beginning to get people to vote to give it to the first winner?
It's nice that you want to give it to Deadshot now - You guys must have had a good phone conversation earlier today....................
Kinda like the night of the convention?
Jon, I have to say a couple of quick things about your post. I never once used the argument that "my Mom is a completist." I wanted the figure. My mom does not worry about 'one-of-a-kind figures, she likes the stuff that everyone played with, or can play with. I wanted the figure. But I did know that my mother would have been more than happy and willing to feature such a cool piece in her book. I want this clear.
Also, I really hope that I did not come across as "the-kid-who-has-it-all ripping off another kid." My family has a very nice collection, but it is not without sacrifices. Our home is devoted to these toys because we love them. I have played with them for as long as I can remember, and I still do. They are fun, and I love the memories that they create. As for ripping DeadShot off, I made very sure that DeadShot was happy with the deal before it went through. I asked him multiple times if he was happy with the deal, and he then he assured me each and every time that he was more than happy with the deal.
And as for Blake (the other American who was there at the meet), he would like to post on this board, share his perspective on what happened. But even though he has registered, he is not receiving the confirmation e-mail that allows him to activate the account. This is very weird to me because I know that when I
registered, and when my mother did, the confirmation e-mail came immediately. Blake tried to register again, in case it hadn't gone through, but it said that
his e-mail was already registered, but he still cannot log in.
This is a crazy mess, and I wish that none of it had happened (I can honestly say that it was the scariest time in my entire life). Aside from these 30 minutes in question, my time in Canada was great, and the people there were awesome, and DeadShot and I had a really good time after the meet was over. I am sorry
that this mess has happened, but I maintain every word I have said. And I must say that I am not a liar, it is not in my nature.
When Deadshot came back into the main room (right after Mike talked with him in the hall) he walked up to me. He looked sad, he stared at the floor, while he was talking to me his voice was hard to hear and his speech was broken. So, when he asked me to trade back, I was perplexed. It seemed to me like he was doing something that he didn't want to do, and that is why after he asked me, I questioned him if it was really something he wanted to do.
It was at this point that Mike came over to us and started being belligerent. And Deadshot slunk away and left the room. He was clearly not comfortable with how Mike was acting.
The threats Mike made occurred at this point!!!
Mike, you did threaten me - You KNOW you did!! And you threatened my belongings!! And others know it too!
And, you DID tell us all not to talk about this publicly! Why on earth would you deny that?
But back to the trade and Deadshot:
Ya see, when Deadshot and I initially made the deal he was REALLY happy. When he had seen the crimson twins earlier that night, his jaw dropped, he was so excited to see them in person. So when he won the MOC figure, I asked him if we could possibly trade. I definitely did not force him to, In fact, I asked him multiple times if he was SURE that he was happy with the trade BEFORE the toys actually exchanged hands. At this point, Deadshot's voice was clear and he was smiling. He even told me, and I quote "I already have my personalized figure, what do I need another one for?" He had been so happy with the deal: he had his other Canadian Ranger, and now he was going to have the Crimson Twins, figures that he genuinely wanted.
Considering his excitement, it was confusing for me when he came back up to me asking to trade. The only thing that I knew had happened between the two events was that other people at the meet had been noticeably unhappy with what he had done, and Mike had taken him into the hall away from everyone else to talk to him about what he had done.
Mike, I am offended both for me and for Deadshot, that you would believe that after the conversation that we all had, you would think that DeadShot was still going to trade with me. When you comment on the fact that he still received the Crimson Twins, it seemed as though you were accusing DeadShot of 'going behind your back' to trade with me again. I gave DeadShot the figures the following morning because I had seen the excitement in his face when he first saw them, and again later when they were in his position. I knew that he would enjoy them and love them. These were my intentions, not trying to get the figure. Mike and I had made a deal, and that was that.
Now Deadshot has the figure, the twins, and that nice Viper Glider that he wasn't able to get earlier in the evening because he didn't have enough cash on him.
I saw Deadshot's home, and it is obvious -- from the FLAG in his Kitchen, to the posters everywhere, to the countless shelves lining his walls, and to the boxes of other stuff he had -- that Peter truly loves these toys.
The reason that I have posted on this board has nothing to do with trying to get the original figure back. The reason that I am posting is because of the way that Mike deliberately intimidated me and treated me.
Mike - you do know don't you, that there have been a lot of places in this thread where you say one thing, and then later you say something different... In fact the number of times you do that is absolutely amazing!!!
When the first draw was made, Mike, it was YOU who first suggested that there be a new draw saying that you have to be present to win!!!, and then other people agreed that there should be a second draw - then someone (I don't remember who) said that Ken said he would be back by 8:00, and you made the ruling that if he was back it was his, otherwise there would be another draw. When 8:15 rolled around, I did ask you if you were going to have the other draw, but I was not the only one interested. I did buy 30 tickets, but like everyone who contributed, I was happy knowing that if I didn't win the money was going to the convention, I even said that.
Mike, if you truly intended to give the figure to Deadshot after "borrowing it" to photograph - then why on earth did you start this thread to try to figure out who to give it to -- and to try very hard in the beginning to get people to vote to give it to the first winner?
It's nice that you want to give it to Deadshot now - You guys must have had a good phone conversation earlier today....................
Kinda like the night of the convention?
Jon, I have to say a couple of quick things about your post. I never once used the argument that "my Mom is a completist." I wanted the figure. My mom does not worry about 'one-of-a-kind figures, she likes the stuff that everyone played with, or can play with. I wanted the figure. But I did know that my mother would have been more than happy and willing to feature such a cool piece in her book. I want this clear.
Also, I really hope that I did not come across as "the-kid-who-has-it-all ripping off another kid." My family has a very nice collection, but it is not without sacrifices. Our home is devoted to these toys because we love them. I have played with them for as long as I can remember, and I still do. They are fun, and I love the memories that they create. As for ripping DeadShot off, I made very sure that DeadShot was happy with the deal before it went through. I asked him multiple times if he was happy with the deal, and he then he assured me each and every time that he was more than happy with the deal.
And as for Blake (the other American who was there at the meet), he would like to post on this board, share his perspective on what happened. But even though he has registered, he is not receiving the confirmation e-mail that allows him to activate the account. This is very weird to me because I know that when I
registered, and when my mother did, the confirmation e-mail came immediately. Blake tried to register again, in case it hadn't gone through, but it said that
his e-mail was already registered, but he still cannot log in.
This is a crazy mess, and I wish that none of it had happened (I can honestly say that it was the scariest time in my entire life). Aside from these 30 minutes in question, my time in Canada was great, and the people there were awesome, and DeadShot and I had a really good time after the meet was over. I am sorry
that this mess has happened, but I maintain every word I have said. And I must say that I am not a liar, it is not in my nature.
) Oh, if you get a chance, can you e-mail me a copy of the group photo that you took? I would really like to have one! (