Post by: Jennifer1005 on September 15, 2006, 11:36:18 AM
It?s a 26 part documentary series which explores popular TV shows through the eyes of the fans. Each episode will focus on a different program - everything from Buffy the Vampire Slayer to The Simpsons, and of course GI Joe - and will feature 2-3 fans of the program from Canada and the US. The series will unearth: why the fans love the show, how watching the show and collecting memorabilia makes them feel, what their friends and family think of their love for the show, and the culture of their particular fandom (individual shows express their fandom differently ? look at Sex & the City fans compared to Star Trek fans).
The show will air in Canada on TVtropolis, a new Canadian Network devoted to airing re-runs of classic TV shows. More information about our series can be found at our company?s website at http://www.peacepoint.tv/pr/ABOUTFANatical.pdf (http://www.peacepoint.tv/pr/ABOUTFANatical.pdf)
If you?re interested in participating or may be able to offer assistance please drop me a line at jennifer@peacepoint.tv
I look forward to your reply,
Jennifer
Post by: Jay on September 15, 2006, 12:42:16 PM
Post by: Stealth Viper on September 15, 2006, 09:05:10 PM
Post by: Pete The Greek on September 16, 2006, 03:51:57 PM
However, I don't represent the typical sterotype you would assume.
Post by: SID on September 23, 2006, 01:36:11 AM
I'm also wary of the term fanatical, regardless of how it's capitalized. I hear that word and automatically think of psycho celeb stalkers and suicide bombers.
This is part of what their original email said>Peace Point Entertainment Group
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>FANatical
>
>FANatical is a new television series, produced in association with
>Canada's Global Television Network, about the world's most obsessive
>television fans. They go gaga over actors, characters, story plots,
>conspiracy theories, locations, props, sets, wardrobe and makeup.
>They even go nuttier over dialogue, dissecting every word and phrase
>used by a particular character.
>
>Take for instance the growing obsession over LOST. With the show's
>numerous plot twists, character backstories, and frustrating amount
>of mystery it's no wonder there are hundreds of websites devoted to
>the series by obsessed fans the world over. FANatical tracks down
>the most ardent of those enthusiasts and brings them into the
>spotlight, shedding light on what makes a TV fan tic.
>The series FANatical acknowledges that there exists all level of
>fandom out there, so it chooses to profile those most passionate ?
>those who are the most serious and also have the most fun with it.
>We're not judging?we're there to laugh with them and join in their
>extreme enthusiasm.
>
>Each episode profiles 2-3 obsessed fans and one show-based event. We
>see the fans' `themed' homes, their memorabilia collections, their
>fan correspondence?in essence, their celebrity shrines. We tag along
>with them to fan club meetings, celebrity-spotting missions and even
>conventions. Wherever they go to fulfill their FANatical obsessions
>we go. In an episode we may track three Trekkies; one who's in love
>with Leonard Nimoy (Dr. Spock) and wears Spock ears to work; another
>who lives, eats and breathes as a Trekkie to the point of having the
>entire Captain's Log memorized by entry number and a third psycho
>fan who speaks Klingon and has a veritable shrine to Warf. Yes
>friends, there is a school devoted to the language ? The Klingon
>Language Institute.
>
>The episode topics and fanaticism range from the obvious shows like
>Star Trek to the more obscure cult classics like Beauty and the
>Beast. Plus we explore the ways these eccentric fans successfully
>influence publicity decisions, casting choices and the production of
>stars by lobbying the studios, complaining to the press and forming
>fan clubs. They even keep the studios on their toes with their
>incessant scrutiny of script authenticity and plot line integrity.
>Beyond the unique look into television FANatical provides, through
>the eyes of the `psycho-fan', we add a touch of reality when we
>delve into these obsessed individuals' lives?their day jobs, their
>families and their friends and how their manias affect their
>relationships and daily routines. Dig deep enough and what we likely
>will find is that their fanaticism has taken its toll ?dissolved
>relationships, lost jobs and broken dreams.
>FANatical is a visually captivating and sensory stimulating series
>that delves into the world of television from a whole new
>perspective ?through the eyes and minds of the psycho TV celebrity
>fan. Viewers get the fly-on-the-wall perspective as we show a true
>picture of our subjects' lives and their bizarre, obsessive
>behaviors.
>
>Peace Point Entertainment Group is a Toronto-based independent
>producer of cutting-edge television content for the worldwide
>market. To date, the company has produced over 200 hours of
>television content with distribution in over 25 international
>markets.
>? 2006 All Rights Reserved Peace Point Entertainment Group[/i][/quote]
Someone was sent that one apparently by mistake ... really, you think?
Perhaps they misjudged the bizarre, obsessive behaviours of FANatics who are actually just decent normal people who enjoy having fun and often particiapte in charity events in the process of celebrating their fandom?
There was some back tracking on Peace Point TV's part and they issued the following statement:
Quote
"I'd like to apologize for the distress caused by information sent
out in error from our office on the focus and intent of our series
FANatical. The information circulated was from a write up generated
during the development phase of or production. Since then, the
focus and aim of the series have changed completely as is often the
case with the development of television concepts. Our full intent
with this project is to celebrate television fans. Please be
assured that our portrayal of all fans and their varying expressions
of fandom will be fun, insightful and respectful. We are working
hard to produce a documentary-style series that explores larger
social themes such as the impact television has on all of us. I
realize some television fans have had negative experiences with
production companies in the past. Please be assured that fans
taking part in our series will be portrayed fairly and with
integrity. For more information, please visit our website at
peacepoint.tv. We will be posting more information on Monday June
19. "
So, when they were being creative they came up with this:
Beyond the unique look into television FANatical provides, through
>the eyes of the `psycho-fan', we add a touch of reality when we
>delve into these obsessed individuals' lives?their day jobs, their
>families and their friends and how their manias affect their
>relationships and daily routines. Dig deep enough and what we likely
>will find is that their fanaticism has taken its toll ?dissolved
>relationships, lost jobs and broken dreams..
Charming.
I was a bit dubious of their intentions beforehand, but now I'm even less inclined to continue any further communication with them.
Sorry for the lack of posting lately, it's been busy around here ;)
Cheers.
Post by: Tattoo Shane on September 24, 2006, 02:40:23 PM
It really cheeses me off when mainstream media attempts to discuss, analyze and expose various subcultures that they honestly have no clue about or even business discussing only to end up singling people out for "everyone else" to gawk at for 23 mins. On the outside, any subculture might seem "psycho" to those uneducated or who don't belong but in the end, most of the people who participate in these types of things are just normal average folks who have taken an interest in something and "fandom" simply gives them an outlet for which to share it with other like-minded people.
I'm good friends with SW collectors who have visited shooting locations, who have homes and warehouses dedicated to it and yes, you guessed it, even those who have tattooed themselves in related imagery (ME). And you know, they're all normal people - or at the very least, no less normal than obsessive sports fans who wear foam puck hats and jersies to work during the playoffs or paint their faces at games. Everybody has something that they're into.
That's not to say that there aren't psycho fans like they're looking for but the bottom line is those people need help, seriously, and shouldn't be given any undue attention for what may well be a serious mental disorder.
I'm sure these producers would look at a person like myself, whose basement is covered in toys, whose skin is tattooed with images from SW and GI Joe and whose vacations generally surround the hobby in some way; and think that i'd be the perfect candidate for this kind of crap TV. Sorry to disappoint, but i'm just not that interesting. ;) And believe it or not, but i have a lot more in my life than just *this*. Whatever happened to the good ol'days when they used to make docs and TV series' that tastefully showcased people's collections (The Incurable Collector anyone?) instead of trying to get dirt and turn everything into a "reality" nightmare?
TV sucks.
Post by: Pete The Greek on September 24, 2006, 09:36:25 PM
For myself, there is a clear divide between the hobby and my regular day to day life. I don't have anything GI JOE related at the office nor do I pretend to be character like Serpentor and scream "where are my Vipers". The only time I even talk about GI JOEs is with other guys in the hobby (online or in person). The same applies when I watch sports. I don't face paint or dress up like a clown to prove I am bigger sports fan.
And Shane, well stated.
Post by: BHMike on September 24, 2006, 11:24:53 PM
Unfortunately, I had a few customers like that.... one even showed up to the store in his Klingon outfit. Yes.... I'm serious.
To date, the ONLY show I've seen that has done collectors any 'justice' to speak has been The Incurable Collector, and 'It Came From The Basement" on Space.... I've had a total of 7 customers featured on it. One even got me a plug. (It was a custom I made for him).
The typical fan is like any 'normal' person.... what's normal anyway?
Am I the abnormal because I don't have any tattoos?..... Or am I normal because I know all the ghosts names on Pac-Man.
Anyway, this lady has never posted or been back to the site since her initial posting here.... I think Ed said she was going to contact her.... I'd suggest changing it Ed. They'd find 'something' odd with you being a father, husband, and 'normal' guy I'm sure. ;-)
Mike
Post by: Jennifer1005 on September 25, 2006, 10:39:58 AM
Wow, all I can say is Wow. It?s a shame that our series is subject to an online smear campaign. Luckily, I have a rather strong rebuttal to all the posts here ?
Watch our Show! That?s right, it?s already on air. Please feel free to tune into TVtropolis this Tuesday at 7pm and again at 11:30pm ET/PT. Take a look and you?ll see that there is not a wicked bone in the body of our program.
It?s been difficult to convince people that our intentions are not malicious with this series due to the fact that other programs in the past have exploited individuals for cheap laughs. Peace Point Entertainment Group Inc. and TVtropolis do not subscribe to this sort of humor. TVtropolis is a new network devoted to airing reruns of classic TV shows. If our series poked fun at TV fans, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot by essentially alienating our target viewing audience. In addition, on a personal level, my best friend is a Xena fan and collector, and I would never betray the trust of someone so dear to me ? yes there are people in this industry with scruples, and I?m one of them.
We are not looking for "crazed fans", but rather human interest stories that portray the importance of television and various forms of fandom out there. Certain fans enjoy dressing in costumes and keeping tabs on actors, and if that?s how they enjoy expressing their fandom, all the power to them. If you judge them for doing this it?s far more telling of your character than their?s.
I hope that after watching the series you?ll be kind enough to retract the statements made on this board.
Sorry about the show confusion,
Jennifer.
Post by: Tattoo Shane on September 25, 2006, 12:54:28 PM
Judging then from your reply, and history in the television industry, i certainly hope you can understand why people might be leary to trust televison producers, notably because of their less than glorious track record with stories like these.
I don't have TVTropolis so i'm afraid i won't be able to check out the show but if it truly is what you're making it out to be, then i certainly wish you the best of luck with it. Just don't get too discouraged if you meet resistance along the way, especially from those of us who also work in television. ;)
Post by: SID on September 25, 2006, 01:11:01 PM
Quote from: ""Jennifer1005""
Hi Everyone,
Wow, all I can say is Wow. It?s a shame that our series is subject to an online smear campaign. Luckily, I have a rather strong rebuttal to all the posts here ?
Watch our Show! That?s right, it?s already on air. Please feel free to tune into TVtropolis this Tuesday at 7pm and again at 11:30pm ET/PT. Take a look and you?ll see that there is not a wicked bone in the body of our program.
It?s been difficult to convince people that our intentions are not malicious with this series due to the fact that other programs in the past have exploited individuals for cheap laughs. Peace Point Entertainment Group Inc. and TVtropolis do not subscribe to this sort of humor. TVtropolis is a new network devoted to airing reruns of classic TV shows. If our series poked fun at TV fans, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot by essentially alienating our target viewing audience. In addition, on a personal level, my best friend is a Xena fan and collector, and I would never betray the trust of someone so dear to me ? yes there are people in this industry with scruples, and I?m one of them.
We are not looking for "crazed fans", but rather human interest stories that portray the importance of television and various forms of fandom out there. Certain fans enjoy dressing in costumes and keeping tabs on actors, and if that?s how they enjoy expressing their fandom, all the power to them. If you judge them for doing this it?s far more telling of your character than their?s.
I hope that after watching the series you?ll be kind enough to retract the statements made on this board.
Sorry about the show confusion,
Jennifer.
I'll consider watching the show, but it disturbs me that you would resort to calling comments based on your company's own previous release (showing some of the original intent) as a smear campaign.
I'd just call it some savvy media smarts to konw what was said originally and that intent had originally existed. CTRL+C and Print Screen are very powerful commodities on the intarwebs.
I got your email Jen, and I'm still not impressed, neither are some of my friends in other fandoms that provided me with some additional information. People have a right to be aware that your company may not have had the best of intentions when they began - that was shameful and I find the cover-up, er, cough, appology too little, too late.
The concept that your company would ever print out or even discuss as a possibility the content within the original release is disgusting and disrespectful.
Smear campaign - no.
Knowing more of the background and making a decision based on available intel - yes.
After all, knowing is half the battle.
I would suggest you mind your choice of words in the future... then again, had your company done so originally...
Post by: Scramble on September 25, 2006, 02:51:29 PM
Post by: sniper on September 25, 2006, 05:34:44 PM
I am not sure where you are in your research, but I think it is important to recognize that the phenomenon of GI Joe did not really start with a show or movie as did the whole Star Wars or Star Trek excitement. It was a toy first. The character driven element of the toy and comics thanks to Larry Hama helped bring it to a broader depth that helped give it its appeal. In my opinion the cartoon was an OK bonus and not necessarily the driver. I have met a few people that the cartoon got them hooked, but there was 2 or 3 years with minimal cartoons where the toy was still quite popular.
I am glad to see that your perspective on the project appears to be balanced, however your comment on the retraction makes me think you have not been at this very long. Retractions are a very rare item in any media business. I have not seen anything anyone has said even being close to warranting a retraction. There are some very valid concerns based on available information. This places the onus on you to deliver on your word. Good luck.
Post by: Pete The Greek on September 25, 2006, 05:43:33 PM
Now back to watching Married With Children.
Post by: BHMike on September 25, 2006, 09:41:56 PM
Quote from: ""Tattoo Shane""
I don't have TVTropolis so i'm afraid i won't be able to check out the show
Well I do (Hogan Knows Best!).
And I'll watch it tomorrow as well (Better be something I know of!) ;-)
- Mike
Post by: Tattoo Shane on September 25, 2006, 11:01:15 PM
Quote from: ""BHT""
Quote from: ""Tattoo Shane""I don't have TVTropolis so i'm afraid i won't be able to check out the show
Well I do (Hogan Knows Best!).
And I'll watch it tomorrow as well (Better be something I know of!) ;-)
- Mike
See, i watch TV for a living so the last thing i want to do is come home and watch it here. ;)
Post by: BHMike on September 26, 2006, 07:40:54 PM
Thank god it was something I enjoy (Dukes Of Hazzard).
I found they presented the people just fine.
If my Joe Collection were larger, I'd say 'sign me up' to Jennifer in a second.
They showcased two people - both with a replica General Lee, both die hards with massive collections. They both seemed to know their stuff, and both seem to have a solid head on their shoulders.
One was a 'family man'. He had 2 kids, a wife, and a barn that he's slowing turning into a 'museum' of sorts. (Actually missed what it's going to be).
The other was an engaged fella and his fiance met WHILE he was being the collector and already had the car done. So (like my wife), she knows what she's getting into. ;-)
They both ended up at Dukes Fest. Over 50,000 people show up for it yearly (I've known about this event for years!), and the show even showed the cool aspects of the event (and some of the people that 'dressed up' or 'face painted' nothing really different than Trek, Joe, or Star Wars conventions.
It was a good show.... but I couldn't help thinking while watching it that I have a TON of contacts of people that would be perfect for this show. From Joe, Star Wars, Megos, My Little Ponies, Transformers, Wrestling, and old stuff like Tin toys and cast iron banks.
I wouldn't be surprised if I saw a few of them on there one day...... actually, I'll be more surpised if I DON'T see them on there!
;-)
Overall, I enjoyed the hell out of the show. I'll watch it again for sure.
Mike
Post by: Pete The Greek on September 26, 2006, 08:36:41 PM
As for Fanatics, I watched the same episode as Mike did with the Dukes of Hazard collectors. I found the show to be very entertaining, probably because I viewed it through the eyes of a collector. The guys on the show are no different than other collectors I have come across i.e. normal.
Mike, as for the barn, the guy wanted to put his collection in there and have bascially dio set ups of the real life vehicles, including having stuff for sale. So it sounded like a museum to me.
Post by: SID on September 27, 2006, 12:56:42 AM
Quote from: ""BHT""
Well Sid, I hope you watched it.... get ready to retract! ;-)
I have no intention to retract. If the show itself is fine, cool, whatever.
I'm would never consider signing up due to my original concerns plus the unprofessionalism of them in the first place to allow the original write up to be typed up, let alone made public.
Post by: BHMike on September 27, 2006, 10:31:15 AM
Sorry Sid, but you can't make a decision about something based on something you read on another site.
People change, companies change. It's life.
If you don't give people the chance to change things, then you're technically being no better than they were in the first place.
I gave it a chance. I enjoyed it - alot.
Pete gave it a chance - he enjoyed it.
Seriously, PLEASE watch it next week - it's only 30 minutes of your life man!! ;-)
Many times tyhings on paper differ from the final product. In this case, the final product WAS different (in a good way) than it was 'on paper'.
I dunno... I really thought you would of watched it - you know?... "Gather the intel" type of thing. ;-)
Mike
Post by: Deadshot on September 27, 2006, 12:35:29 PM
I wouldn't mind catching this show.
Post by: Radio Guy on September 27, 2006, 01:19:26 PM
f they take this kind of approach with other fans (and mike and pete's posts make me think they have), then i don't think there is any great concern.
granted, the original press release was whacked, but as a writer, i have had to revise many things before the final version is airworthy....
like mike said...it's 30 minutes, and at least then you'll be able to make an informed opinion.
just hope they have a joe show coming up soon.....
Post by: SID on September 27, 2006, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: ""BHT""
So wait? You didn't even watch it?
Sorry Sid, but you can't make a decision about something based on something you read on another site.
Seriously, PLEASE watch it next week - it's only 30 minutes of your life man!! ;-)
2 things,
1, I don't have cable, nor intend to get it. If someone can shuttle an episode or two over I'll watch it.
2. I didn't just read the information on another site, the info came directly from a friend of mine who works on the legal department for conventions, writing up contracts/dealing directly with celebs... I absolutely trust her integrity.
Post by: Pete The Greek on February 14, 2007, 12:02:50 AM
And any word on the couple of guys here that expressed interest in doing the GI JOE one?
Post by: Radio Guy on February 14, 2007, 12:21:13 AM
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Post by: Scramble on February 14, 2007, 04:11:57 PM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
And any word on the couple of guys here that expressed interest in doing the GI JOE one?
It's down to four people: Myself; Zombieguide; Alyosha; and Aire.
I know there's a lot of hostility towards Aire, but she does have an interesting story. I just really hope they don't pick Alyosha. When Stephanie mentioned him, I told her he wasn't well liked online. He told her the same thing. The last thing I'd want to see is Alyosha pittying himself on TV.
Post by: Pete The Greek on February 14, 2007, 05:13:18 PM
Quote from: "Scramble"
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"And any word on the couple of guys here that expressed interest in doing the GI JOE one?
It's down to four people: Myself; Zombieguide; Alyosha; and Aire.
I know there's a lot of hostility towards Aire, but she does have an interesting story. I just really hope they don't pick Alyosha. When Stephanie mentioned him, I told her he wasn't well liked online. He told her the same thing. The last thing I'd want to see is Alyosha pittying himself on TV.
I thought this was suppose to be about Canadian fanatics?
But this should be interesting to see her collection. Her house is literally packed with toys every where from what I have been told.
Post by: Radio Guy on February 14, 2007, 05:51:44 PM
Post by: BHMike on February 14, 2007, 07:30:11 PM
and no offence Ryan. I'd like to see ZombieGuides stuff.
Aire may have a big ass collection - but the 'person' behind the toys means more to me than what they have. Her or Aly - I wouldn't bother watching.
Post by: Scramble on February 15, 2007, 02:39:52 PM
Quote from: "BHT"
and no offence Ryan. I'd like to see ZombieGuides stuff.
None taken. That garage of his is awe-inspiring.
Post by: Scramble on February 15, 2007, 02:46:56 PM
Quote from: "Radio Guy"
aside from the joe meet stuff, i know nothing about aire....what's her interesting story? and what's the deal on alyosha? i'm not familliar with him... just lookin' for some background...thanks!
Aire uses GI Joes as a teaching aid for kids. The extent of which I'm unfamiliar, and would like to know more.
Alyosha casts figures and customizing new sculpts as picture-perfect recreations of ARAH figures. But he's so cocky about it, he's made many people online sick. He also sells hard to find items for inflated costs, upsetting high-end collectors that don't feel these items should be recirculated, and casual collectors and customizers who feel if you're going to cast them, make them accessible. There's very little he does that doesn't seem to be profit-oriented.
He also got wind of a list of the proposed 2005 convention exclusives, and decided to redistribute it online. But it was just the wish list MC sent to Hasbro. By the time Aly got a hold of it, the real list had changed because the companies had determined certain molds lost or unusable. So Aly upset the companies, because some of their surprises were leaked, and fans because the leak wasn't even accurate.
And now he feels sorry for himself.
Post by: sniper on February 15, 2007, 03:50:53 PM
I remember my experience and I can see it in my kids that action figures are great for imaginative play. They may not rank as high as Lego, but still high enough. Any adaptations for a cub scout environment would be interesting to me.
Post by: zombieguide on April 15, 2007, 07:24:22 PM
I had about 6 conversations with these people, and seriously considered it for a short time. There was a time when I would have jumped at the chance, at this point I just dont care to impress people. I like showing and sharing my collection with my net buddies and my personal friends and family and thats it.
If the show wanted to come down and get a tour and do some interviews -great. They wanted me to do all sorts of stuff that I just wasnt interested in and wasnt going to force.
So, I bailed out. Im not interested in jumping thru the hoops they asked me to just to be on TV. Take me as I am dammit!
Post by: BHMike on April 15, 2007, 07:26:56 PM
I know someone else that's going to be on TV.... petianing to a certain Joe Meet.
Oh wait, Scramble is in that as well. ;-)
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 15, 2007, 09:46:27 PM
Post by: zombieguide on April 16, 2007, 08:43:28 AM
but im doing it for ME and me alone at my own pace. not to meet any deadline. they suggested some sort of get together were i invite all the JC guys down and have a bbq and unveiling. so i got together with cabanajack who lives like an hour away and we started brainstorming.
now, my wife and i own our business (www.bentzphotography.com (http://www.bentzphotography.com)) and as a general rule, were booked 3 months in advance, but doing the holiday season its a REAL f=ing madhouse. so this tv project suddenly became a real hassle, because suddenly i wasnt thinking about doing something real for myself and the community, but doing it to meet a deadline and produce something forced.
and i just wasnt interested in that in the long run.
Post by: BHMike on April 16, 2007, 09:37:13 AM
I invited them and told them about the Joe Meet - and they had to meet a 'deadline'.
The hobby doesn't have a deadline -- so a show about the hobby shouldn't either.
I'm sure Scrambles episode will be great, but I can't help thinking how much cooler it would of been to have them at the Joe Meet filming Scramble and Raps run the painting contest.
Post by: zombieguide on April 16, 2007, 10:42:21 AM
it just wasnt a 'fun' way of doing it. i understand thier deadlines and needs for entertainment. unfortunately i just didnt mesh with mine.
all the power to this thing though, id love to see the episodes.
Post by: Scramble on April 16, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Hey..... Scramble hasn't updated us on this - and I just spent most of the last 3 days with the guy!
To be fair, no one asked. :wink:
I did the show and had a lot of fun doing it. The theme of my segment is "showing non-fans what it's like to be a fan". Me and some friends played my original board game "Men and Their Toys" and we had a mini-amature speed painting contest. I was also filmed painting a Zandar custom, the very figure I entered in the Custom Contest at this weekend's Meet.
I did do paintball even though it was not one of my hobbies. During the interview I said as often as I could that this was my first time, I'd considered playing before but was never willing to pay the cost, that it didn't reflect my interest in GI Joe. So hopefully a little honestly comes out of the show's most contrived segment. Truth be told, I did enjoy the paint ball experience and am considering playing again.
So if Zombieguide and Aire both backed out, I guess I'm sharing an episode with Alyosha, unless someone else came along later. Funny, because for all the pimping I did for Joe Canuck, Joe Customs, Maurauder John, and MOTH, the only bashing I did was people with Alyosha's attitude about making a buck off their fellow collectors. I didn't mention him by name, of course.
I agree that the three person speed painting in my social room does not compare to the fourteen people, including experienced customizers, that we had this past Saturday, and the show would have benefitted from attending. Sadly, it's not just their loss.
Post by: Tattoo Shane on April 16, 2007, 08:01:59 PM
No surprise there. ;) Still, i'd be very interested in seeing it and congarets to Scramble for going ahead with it all!
Post by: SID on April 05, 2008, 02:20:03 AM
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 05, 2008, 09:02:27 AM
But, if you have not seen the episode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZojuLRJjpDI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZojuLRJjpDI)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Y4UglOLBmI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Y4UglOLBmI)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UD55Clj-Y-s (http://youtube.com/watch?v=UD55Clj-Y-s)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KE4dIOTYvg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KE4dIOTYvg)
Post by: SID on April 05, 2008, 11:23:36 AM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
The show isn't not airing any more on TVtropolis. So is it's a mute point now.
But, if you have not seen the episode:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZojuLRJjpDI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZojuLRJjpDI)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Y4UglOLBmI (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1Y4UglOLBmI)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UD55Clj-Y-s (http://youtube.com/watch?v=UD55Clj-Y-s)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KE4dIOTYvg (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-KE4dIOTYvg)
Ahh, again I don't have tv and didn't know it was a moot point, but thank you for the youtube links, definitely will watch it :)
Post by: Scramble on April 05, 2008, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: "SID"
Glad to see some of my warnings and provided documentation were heeded somewhat ;)
I remembered them, but mostly I kept in mind what Mick Foley said in his first book about the news magazine show, Dateline I think, that manipulated footage to make it look like he approved of something he said he disapproved of.
Post by: pdaat on April 05, 2008, 02:17:11 PM
The day the paper hit the streets, there I am on the front page, smiling big. quotes as saying "You mean it hasn't already happened?" and that was it. I got hate mail and phone calls for a week.
If nothing else, be careful what you say and how you say it. Lesson learned. And that lesson serves me well as a supervisor as well. People will often twist words to suit themselves.
Paul
Post by: Pete The Greek on April 05, 2008, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: "pdaat"
People will often twist words to suit themselves.
And that is the reason why I don't say much during my work inspections.
Post by: pdaat on April 05, 2008, 05:11:19 PM
Paul
Post by: SID on April 05, 2008, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: "pdaat"
I remeber while I was in Guelph taking my kids through Stone Road Mall on a leisurely walk on a winter's day. There was a reporter from that bation of journalistic integrity, the Guelph Mercury, asking is big box stores would shut down stores downtown. I said it has already happened already to a point as the Sears (I think) in the center of the downtown was already closed. But then I said that most of the smaller stores downtime would be in less jeopardy as they serve their respective niche markets.
The day the paper hit the streets, there I am on the front page, smiling big. quotes as saying "You mean it hasn't already happened?" and that was it. I got hate mail and phone calls for a week.
If nothing else, be careful what you say and how you say it. Lesson learned. And that lesson serves me well as a supervisor as well. People will often twist words to suit themselves.
Paul
Absolutely, I even mention that in my popular convention rules and guidelines page (http://http://neoengel.com/con_rules.html) under number 19.
"Remember, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be misquoted, taken out of context and used against you."
The media isn't there for you, but them to get what they want. Even being careful I was deceived by a reporter from CKCO in December 2006, but not as bad as the Guelph Mercury situation described :O
At least this wasn't as bad as some louts in 2006/7 who went to scifi/anime conventions and actively insulted organizers and attendees alike during and in post-production and were banned/kicked out.
Individual results may vary and I'm happy when media choose to report on fandoms as is without fraudulent tactics. I've been involved with cons, charity and other fandom organization elements for over a dozen years in administration, security and hospitality so I am rather passionate when it comes to fair portrayals and treatment of those of us who gather and celebrate our pursuits.
Post by: BHMike on April 05, 2008, 09:41:10 PM
I find the shows/stations that respect our hobbies and the things we enjoy usually do a great job of things.
Space TV comes to mind on that one. ;-)