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Title: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Stealth Viper on November 04, 2010, 07:15:25 AM

This just in from Hasbro

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Premiere Event Includes: Back-to-Back Original Episodes;
Behind-the-Scenes Special "Hub Exclusive: ‘G.I. Joe Renegades'"

LOS ANGELES, Ca. – Coming this Thanksgiving holiday weekend to The Hub, a cable network for kids and their families, is a special two-part premiere of the new half-hour, action-adventure animated series “G.I. Joe Renegades,” Friday, November 26. The Hub is a joint venture of Discovery Communications and Hasbro, Inc., and is available to 60 million U.S. cable and satellite households.

The new animated series, a re-imagining of the popular, original series “G.I. Joe A Real American Hero,” takes viewers back to the origins of the G.I. Joe storyline, in which the world’s most elite renegade force of highly trained specialists are forced to band together to prevent their nemesis, the evil forces of Cobra Industries, from achieving global domination.

“G.I. Joe Renegades” is produced for The Hub by Hasbro Studios. The series is executive produced by Jeff Kline, whose television credits include “Transformers: Prime” and “Jackie Chan Adventures.”

Preceding the series debut, The Hub will present a half-hour behind-the-scenes special, “Hub Exclusive: ‘G.I. Joe Renegades’ and ‘Transformers: Prime’” (3:30 p.m. ET), showcasing two original series on The Hub.  The special is followed by the world premiere of the first two half-hour episodes (5 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. ET) of “G.I. Joe Renegades.” The series will continue in its regular time period, Friday, December 3, with an encore presentation at 5 p.m. ET and a new episode premiere at 5:30 p.m. ET.

Starring in the series premiere are Lee Majors (“The Six Million Dollar Man”) as “General Abernathy,” and Charlie Adler, the original Cobra Commander from the animated series “G.I. Joe: Resolute,” who reprises his role in the new series. “G.I. Joe Renegades” also includes an all-star lineup of story editors, including Marty Isenberg (“Ben 10,” “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” and “Batman the Animated Series”) and Henry Gilroy (“Star Wars: Clone Wars,” “The Tick” and “Batman the Animated Series.”)

A full schedule of the “G.I. Joe Renegades” and related programming follows. (All times ET).

“Hub Exclusive: ‘G.I. Joe Renegades” (Premiere: Friday, November 26, 3:30 p.m. – 4 p.m.. Encore presentations: Monday, November 29, 6 p.m. – 6:30 p.m.; Friday, December 3; 4:30 p.m. – 5 p.m.; and Saturday, December 4, 12 p.m. – 12:30 p.m.)

“G.I. Joe Renegades” - Part 1 of “The Descent” (Premiere: Friday, November 26, 5 p.m. – 5:30 p.m.. Encore presentations: 11 p.m. – 11:30 p.m.; Sunday, November 28, 1 p.m. – 1:30 p.m.; Friday, December 3, 7 a.m. – 7:30 a.m.)

“G.I. Joe Renegades” - Part 2 of “The Descent” (Premiere: Friday, November 26, 5:30 p.m. - 6 p.m..  Encore presentations: 11:30 p.m. – 12 a.m.; Sunday, November 28, 1:30 p.m. – 2 p.m.; Friday, December 3, 7:30 a.m. – 8 a.m.)

About The Hub:
The Hub is a multi-platform joint venture between Discovery Communications (NASDAQ: DISCA, DISCB, DISCK) and Hasbro, Inc., (NYSE: HAS) with a goal of entertaining, enlightening, empowering and educating children and their families.  The cable and satellite television network features original programming as well as content from Discovery's library of award-winning children's educational programming; from Hasbro's rich portfolio of entertainment and educational properties built during the past 90 years; and from leading third-party producers worldwide.  The Hub lineup includes animated and live-action series, specials and game shows, and the network extends its content through a robust and engaging online presence at www.hubworld.com (http://www.hubworld.com) . The Hub rebranded from Discovery Kids on October 10, 2010, and reaches approximately 60 million U.S. households. The Hub logo and name are trademarks of Hub Television Networks, LLC.  All rights reserved.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 04, 2010, 09:09:19 AM

Can we get this in Canada?

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 04, 2010, 09:22:38 AM

If we are lucky next year... when the DVD comes out or when the show goes to syndication and we can watch it a season behind our American friends. 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 04, 2010, 09:33:13 AM

Now I know I heard that you could watch it off the Hub website, but so many American web sites won't stream videos outside of the US.

So that leaves you with either asking a buddy in the US to tape / burn you a copy or use a Torrent.

This is what I don't get. Torrents are frowned upon, but it's the easiest solution.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 04, 2010, 11:51:57 AM

Time will tell, but get ready to download the episodes. 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Pete The Greek on November 04, 2010, 02:07:21 PM

After watching a clip of it

http://generalsjoes.com/2010/11/03/firs ... t-ign-com/ (http://generalsjoes.com/2010/11/03/first-g-i-joe-renegades-footage-online-at-ign-com/)

I am not sure whether I care for it to show up in Canada.  I hate that style of cartoon.  I rather remember the Sunbow years.  Nothing has beaten the 1980s style of cartoons. 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Jay on November 04, 2010, 03:00:56 PM

Quote from: "Pete The Greek"

Nothing has beaten the 1980s style of cartoons. 

Ugh. Everything's beaten the 1980s style of cartoon, especially in the action genre. They were plagued with animation errors, had childish plots that at times failed to even make sense and they never even tried to make their villains menacing.

The 90s was when cartoons started being cool. Batman: The Animated Series, Beast Wars, ReBoot... mature storytelling that could be thoroughly enjoyed by child and adult alike. (Sadly, GIJoe was too busy trying to emulate Rob Liefeld with GIJoe Extreme to benefit from any of it)

As for Renegades... I'm not big on the faces but the style definitely looks to be lending itself nicely to action sequences... And the plot is definitely being kicked off in an interesting direction.
I'm looking forward to the debut!

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Redmao on November 04, 2010, 03:32:38 PM

Standing by to download the episodes.
Sad but true...

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Pete The Greek on November 04, 2010, 03:48:29 PM

Quote from: "Jay"

Ugh. Everything's beaten the 1980s style of cartoon, especially in the action genre. They were plagued with animation errors, had childish plots that at times failed to even make sense and they never even tried to make their villains menacing.

I will give you Batman but that cartoon was closer to the 1980s style in terms of a visual perception.   Anime and computer animated stuff is garbage to me.  

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: 5h4rK on November 04, 2010, 03:49:21 PM

Quote from: "Pete The Greek"

Nothing has beaten the 1980s style of cartoons. 

I'm with you on this one.. I think it's normal to love the cartoons with which we have grown!

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 04, 2010, 03:53:23 PM

If that is the case... the 1963's cartoon of ASTRO BOY was the BEST EVER.... IMO for animation.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: ARROW on November 04, 2010, 04:15:10 PM

Quote from: "morgardee"

Now I know I heard that you could watch it off the Hub website, but so many American web sites won't stream videos outside of the US.

So that leaves you with either asking a buddy in the US to tape / burn you a copy or use a Torrent.

This is what I don't get. Torrents are frowned upon, but it's the easiest solution.

The series WILL show up here, but it will be delayed by at least several months because of the priority of giving the Hub first broadcast rights. Likely
 debut outside of the Hub is next fall.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Jay on November 04, 2010, 04:23:30 PM

Quote from: "Pete The Greek"

I will give you Batman but that cartoon was closer to the 1980s style in terms of a visual perception.   Anime and computer animated stuff is garbage to me.  

You're welcome to think that but Reboot and Beast Wars were absolutely fantastic thanks to the sheer amount of body language 3D-animated characters could give us.

And Batman was totally not 80s in visual perception. It pretty much pioneered a simplistic, stylish visual style that made for fluid animation (something that would be carried out throughout the DCAU, as well as Teen Titans, Transformers Animated, Spectacular Spider-Man, etc), something that was completely absent from the cartoons of the 80s.

Also, what do you qualify as "anime"? Because I'm certain you grew up on a metric ton of anime in the 80s.
Robotech, Voltron, Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, Battle of the Planets/G-Force...
(not to mention that a lot of 1980s cartoons, including GIJoe and Transformers, were animated by Japanese animation studios like Toei!)

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: latinjoe22 on November 04, 2010, 06:37:25 PM

Quote from: "Jay"

Quote from: "Pete The Greek"

Nothing has beaten the 1980s style of cartoons.  

Ugh. Everything's beaten the 1980s style of cartoon, especially in the action genre. They were plagued with animation errors, had childish plots that at times failed to even make sense and they never even tried to make their villains menacing.

The 90s was when cartoons started being cool. Batman: The Animated Series, Beast Wars, ReBoot... mature storytelling that could be thoroughly enjoyed by child and adult alike. (Sadly, GIJoe was too busy trying to emulate Rob Liefeld with GIJoe Extreme to benefit from any of it)

As for Renegades... I'm not big on the faces but the style definitely looks to be lending itself nicely to action sequences... And the plot is definitely being kicked off in an interesting direction.
I'm looking forward to the debut!

If you are attempting to discredit the 80's cartoon show, I have to disagree with you.

There's a lot of shows you might not like from the 80's if you rewinded the clock, but heck some were unique from what arrived in the next decade. While you imply that 80's shows lacked a serious approach, who said a kids' show was supposed to fill this function? Most of them were cheesy but trust me, they were very original for us. The shows that aged extremely well I find were Droids, Gi joe, Thundercats, Silverhawks, Mask, Transformers and  others. Sure they're not perfect and still smell the 80's to some extent, but they had that little extra that made them different from the rest, and hence made them modern. Batman is to the 90's what Gi joe or Transformers was to the 80's IMO. I watched many shows from the 90's and let me tell you, it reeked of many characters just showing off to others that they sound cool by the way they talk. But hey, I'm pretty sure that the producers who made these cartoons thought that's what the kids would relate to better than the cheesy lines from the 80's. Which one's worse you think?  :wink: None IMO.

As for GI joe Renegades, I'm sure that It's worth seeing, so I'll definitely wait to see it first before posting more about it  :cobra:

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: B on November 05, 2010, 06:34:01 AM

I'm interested in it. Just hoping either teletoon or ytv picks it up. I always have no expectations, because I know what I want may not appeal to everyone, so I'm keeping an open mind.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 05, 2010, 09:15:20 AM

Quote from: "Pete The Greek"

Quote from: "Jay"

Ugh. Everything's beaten the 1980s style of cartoon, especially in the action genre. They were plagued with animation errors, had childish plots that at times failed to even make sense and they never even tried to make their villains menacing.

I will give you Batman but that cartoon was closer to the 1980s style in terms of a visual perception.   Anime and computer animated stuff is garbage to me.  

+1.

Beast Wars was lacking any decent characters that I could connect with or bond with. 80's characters, while the plot might be a bit silly at times had characters that people really bonded with and fell in love with. Unless it's a 30 second commercial, it really doesn't matter what it looked like but what the characters mean to people.

Reboot was alright but I didn't follow it religiously. What I do recall from reboot is thinking "Man, this show is way too goofy". Tell me those two dim wit guys that worked for Mega byte didn't of cheese or that that angle hasn't been done 100 time before by better characters.

When it's a G.I. Joe message board who's core and majority members are 80's fans, coming into a thread and bashing the 80's line and cartoon is not going to gain a favorable reaction from most. 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Jay on November 05, 2010, 10:39:56 AM

I'm not really sure what you're looking for in "decent characters you could connect with", but Beast Wars, thanks to its more limited cast, managed to help you connect with the characters far more. Rattrap was the snarky guy, but he was also the pessimistic one, the ressourceful one and the runt of the litter, sizewise. Cheetor was the youthful one, headstrong and brash, but unlike how that archetype was used in the 80s, he actually learned from his mistakes. Optimus Primal was the captain, and unlike the 1980s Optimus Prime, he wasn't a Supreme Commander and constantly had to deal with insubordination. He was also great at thinking on the fly, to the point that his motto's unofficially been "Sometimes, crazy works." Then there's Rhinox, being both a brilliant mind AND a giant bruiser, complete with Chainguns Of Doom. In spite of their differences, he had a strong friendship with Rattrap. And then there's Dinobot, the "Worf" of the bunch, a mighty, proud warrior who defected from the opposite side and whose viewpoints and way of life often clashed with his fellow Maximals's. At the same time, he provided the Maximals with an insight to the Predacons's machinations. And with Rattrap's distrust of him, and his utter dislike of Rattrap, you had tons of great interactions between the two.

I really don't see any characters with that level of depth in Sunbow. At best you had Rodimus and his growth as a leader, but that got cut short because boring old Optimus Prime had to come back. As for Joe... I dunno, Jack Nicholson-esque Shipwreck was a little fun at times but otherwise they were all cookie cutters beyond a vocal quirk here and there or Beachhead's jerkishness.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 05, 2010, 11:51:07 AM

And this is where the age difference shows. When the original cartoons (Transformers an G.I. Joe) were on the air and we were all running home after school and talking about "last nights cool show" with our grade school friends, you were still a twinkle in your parents eye.  :wink:

You were born around '84, correct? So by the time you could really understand these shows and appreciate things like characters would put you around 89 -90 (give or take). So of course the shows you grew up with were the best in your opinion.

I work with a guy who is 22. Dude is very smart and all around fun guy, but he loves the Beast Wars over the original Transformers show. We've compared the two a few times and what it all comes down to is it's personal connection to each of us in relation to out childhood memories.

There is no way you are ever going to convince me that Beast Wars is better then the original Transformers. It won't happen. Just like I won't be able to change your opinion either. We could banter back and forth on different points and both of us could easily strip down the other guy favorite character. Nothing will change because it's how we related to them when we grew up.

That being said, this is my final defense of G1 over Beast Wars:

No matter what you say about Beast Wars it will always be lacking to the original show for one glaring absence as far as characters goes: Starscream (with Chris Latta). That little cameo he did when he possessed Waspinator was the second best thing about Beast Wars and far too short lived. The best thing about Beast Wars was when they found the arc and all the Autobots asleep. Then there was that Ravage angle. Funny how all the best episodes of that show were about G1.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 05, 2010, 12:35:47 PM

Action:[ Standing Ovation ]

I'm with morgardee on this, I love the orginal G1 TF to death, my other favourite 80's cartoons were Danguard Ace and Grandizer!  Not sure if people remember these but they are near and dear to my heart!  Not that I dislike Beast Wars, just never got used to the concept.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Jay on November 05, 2010, 02:12:21 PM

Quote from: "morgardee"

And this is where the age difference shows. When the original cartoons (Transformers an G.I. Joe) were on the air and we were all running home after school and talking about "last nights cool show" with our grade school friends, you were still a twinkle in your parents eye.  :wink:

You were born around '84, correct? So by the time you could really understand these shows and appreciate things like characters would put you around 89 -90 (give or take). So of course the shows you grew up with were the best in your opinion.

Age schmage. I grew up on the Generation One and GIJoe cartoons same as you. Syndicated reruns and all that. Also the Generation 2 re-airings of Transformers. Plus there was that Transformers: The Movie videocassette that was an incredibly common rental of mine.

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I work with a guy who is 22. Dude is very smart and all around fun guy, but he loves the Beast Wars over the original Transformers show. We've compared the two a few times and what it all comes down to is it's personal connection to each of us in relation to out childhood memories.

Except I was no longer a child when Beast Wars debuted. I was 12.
Still managed to hook me.

Either way, I don't judge anything by nostalgia filter. I never saw any third-season episodes of Transformers as a child. But when asked which episodes are the best, I always end up plucking them out of the third. Webworld, Dark Awakening, The Burden Hardest To Bear... You know, that season all the "True and Honest G1 Fans" hate?

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There is no way you are ever going to convince me that Beast Wars is better then the original Transformers. It won't happen. Just like I won't be able to change your opinion either. We could banter back and forth on different points and both of us could easily strip down the other guy favorite character. Nothing will change because it's how we related to them when we grew up.

Except, again, it's not. Maybe it is for you, but it's not for me.

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That being said, this is my final defense of G1 over Beast Wars:

No matter what you say about Beast Wars it will always be lacking to the original show for one glaring absence as far as characters goes: Starscream (with Chris Latta). That little cameo he did when he possessed Waspinator was the second best thing about Beast Wars and far too short lived. The best thing about Beast Wars was when they found the arc and all the Autobots asleep. Then there was that Ravage angle. Funny how all the best episodes of that show were about G1.

Huh. I won't deny the merits of the episodes you mentionned, because they are indeed solid episodes. The entire show was a solid show. All it took for you to realize it was for it to refer to that thing your nostalgia filter adores.
Besides, the best moment of The Agenda isn't Ravage or seeing a bunch of Transformers sleeping. No. It's...
"Say goodbye to the universe, Maximals! The future has changed. Yessssss. The Autobots lose! Evil triumphs! And you...YOU NO LONGER EXIST!"

And last time I checked, Code of Hero had nothing to do with G1, and it is the single best Transformers episode ever written in the history of forever.
Oh yeah, and this episode, for some reason, was one of the few BW eps I didn't catch during its run. Going into subsequent episodes all I knew was "Dinobot died". I didn't get to see it till I was 20. And it was still more moving than Optimus Prime's death in the movie had ever been for me.

But, hey... (http://http://tfwiki.net/wiki/GEEWUN)





Back on the topic of Renegades, I just found another reason to get hyped.
Marty Isenberg is the story editor.
And he happens to be the genius that gave us the greatness of fiction that is Transformers Animated.
I'm now expecting great action, great characters and great fun. This show is going to rock.

As of right now... I guess I have two issues with Renegades, and they are ridiculously minor.
One is the faces. The animation style is nice and dynamic but the faces will take some getting used to. Hardly something for me to get worked up over.
The other is that Tomax and Xamot are voiced by the same person. That feels... I dunno, just lazy. I was always impressed by the fact that in the old Sunbow toon (OMG YES, it had some good points in its favor!), Corey Burton and Michael Bell each did one voice, and managed to match each other like that. Having one guy for the two just doesn't feel as impressive. Again, still hardly something significant enough to condemn the whole show over. :P

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 05, 2010, 02:31:50 PM

Wow Jay, you really love your Beast Wars!   :lol:

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Jay on November 05, 2010, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: "bandonov"

Wow Jay, you really love your Beast Wars!   :lol:

Yes. Because it is, objectively, the best Transformers TV show ever produced.
Transformers Animated comes in at a VERY close second.

Given the creative team behind Renegades, I do believe I will end up considering it the "Beast Wars" or "Animated" of GIJoe television shows.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 05, 2010, 04:31:10 PM

Jay, you astound me. I've provided a diplomatic way and a closing comment to tie off this line of conversation as it might ruffle some peoples feathers.

Instead of excepting any of the logic I've offered, you've chosen to rip it by piece by piece to attempt to push your opinions on the board. I'm not speaking on behalf of the board when I say any of this.

But if you want to split hairs and go point / counter point, I'm pretty good at that game.  :wink:

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Age schmage. I grew up on the Generation One and GIJoe cartoons same as you. Syndicated reruns and all that. Also the Generation 2 re-airings of Transformers. Plus there was that Transformers: The Movie videocassette that was an incredibly common rental of mine.

While you claim you grew up on G1 and ARAH the same as me, I highly doubt it. When ARAH toys were airing the first commercials it was simply amazing. Most of the cartoons around then were Battle of the Planets, Tom & Jerry, Flintstones, etc... Being someone who was born in '72 I was around to play with the 12 inch G.I. Joe and old enough to realize he was no longer on the shelves. When it came back and I first saw that comerical with army men flipping around bars and melting doors, my jaw dropped. We I got my first Grunt and Stalker figures for my 10th birthday I was thrilled because I didn't think they would be out in stores yet.

ARAH and G1 we cult hits. Look at the media and the resurgence in retro toys and TV shows. Beast Wars never have, and highly doubt never will have the same cult following as G1. I certainly don't expect Beast Wars to ever get a Hollywood movie made.

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Except I was no longer a child when Beast Wars debuted. I was 12.
Still managed to hook me.

Either way, I don't judge anything by nostalgia filter. I never saw any third-season episodes of Transformers as a child. But when asked which episodes are the best, I always end up plucking them out of the third. Webworld, Dark Awakening, The Burden Hardest To Bear... You know, that season all the "True and Honest G1 Fans" hate?

Sorry man, I consider age 12 a child still. If you still get an allowance or make your sole income from a paper route and baby sitting, then your a child in my books.

As for the episodes you've listed I don't know the episode names. I can't go point to point with you on that so if you want to name episodes or even seasons then you've got me there. I also don't know anything about any "True and Honest G1 fan" hating season 3. I know the stuff with the head masters and the like were rather goofy, but still enjoyable to watch.

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Except, again, it's not. Maybe it is for you, but it's not for me.

So you say and there is no way I can prove you train of thought is anything different then what you say but it's unlikely that stuff you grew up with as a child and memorized to the point where you can rattle off episode names like you have has nothing to do with what stuck a chord with you as a child. Sorry, I don't buy into it. If you are this passionate that you wouldn't except a friendly way out of a point / counter point discussion on the boards then this stuff has some personal meaning to you. Otherwise, why would you bother? Me, I enjoy a good debate every now and then.  ;D

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Besides, the best moment of The Agenda isn't Ravage or seeing a bunch of Transformers sleeping. No. It's...
"Say goodbye to the universe, Maximals! The future has changed. Yessssss. The Autobots lose! Evil triumphs! And you...YOU NO LONGER EXIST!"

Your opinion and you're welcome to it. It certainly wasn't the best thing for me. They could have easily reached the same conclusion to that story without having to spend as much time referencing the G1 show. If for some legal reason Beast Wars was not allowed to use the images of the G1 characters then they could have found other ways to reach the same outcome. No, what made it compelling TV was "Did you hear, the Beast Wars dudes found the Autobot Arc and they are still asleep".

Mick Folley would be proud of that cheap pop to get viewers.

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And last time I checked, Code of Hero had nothing to do with G1, and it is the single best Transformers episode ever written in the history of forever.
Oh yeah, and this episode, for some reason, was one of the few BW eps I didn't catch during its run. Going into subsequent episodes all I knew was "Dinobot died". I didn't get to see it till I was 20. And it was still more moving than Optimus Prime's death in the movie had ever been for me.

Dinobot died? Huh, must have forgotten that fact as I did watch this show and had it all tape on my VCR. I got 2 points about that. First off, if Dinobot died I plain old forgot about it. Sure didn't forget about Optimus Prime dying. Second point, very weak name that totally plays of the G1 dinobots.

Again, Beast Wars had to draw heavily off the G1 one series and the only reason it lasted as long as it did was because of the rich history and characters created ion G1.

Look at the team leaders names for starters. The look at the lack of imagination that went into the second tier characters. Rat Trap. Rhinox, Cheetor, the aforementioned Dinobot? Those are names I would expect on a cheap knock off line. Then look at the names of the G1 team. Iron Hide, Ratchet, Sun Streaker. If they used the Beast Wars naming convention these guys would be "Tough red vanox", "Doctornator" and "Fast Yellow Caror" or something unimaginative like that.

You don't even want to start comparing characters between the two shows. I find it funny that the G1 characters in all their old school hand drawn 2 dimensional drawing we bigger then anything Beast Wars had to offer. Indeed, the "advanced graphics" of Beast Wars didn't do anything to help these very typical and flat characters. The most interesting guy on Beast Wars was Waspinator and that was because he had the most character flaws. Dinobot and his honour code was the next best but after that they got pretty flat.

G1 characters were full of character flaws. Mirage was vain, Starscream wanted power, Brawn thought he was one of the toughest guys going (yet it only took one good shot from Megatron in gun mode to take him out). Even in the movie, look at Arcee when she is dragging broken autobot bodies off the battle field and stop to put her hands under her mouth. And the there is Rumble and Frenzy. I loved seeing those guys in action. Two of the smallest decepticons out there, yet they can take down the biggest one of them all (Devastator) in less then 30 seconds and were the punks of the show.

Sorry, G1 brought us way more characters and handled them better then Beast Wars.

And that's not me being nostalgic.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Sundance on November 05, 2010, 04:38:36 PM

the Transformers comics are so much better than the shitty G1 cartoons. likewise, the ARAH comics are better than the toons.

Simon Furman and Larry Hama are as Gods to me.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: dodge822 on November 05, 2010, 05:27:50 PM

both jay and morg make good points, but that is just time line morg you got to see the g1 one from the begining where people like me and jay only cought the tail ends of g1 transformers, at 12 years old yes i liked beast  wars better but that was because i liked the cgi rather then the hand drawen stuff but being someone that has episods from both series, i prefer to sit and watch the g1 series over beast wars.

that said neather is goign to change the other persons mind, so just leave it at jay likes beast wars, and morg likes g1.
Imo both were good in their own rights.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: 5h4rK on November 05, 2010, 05:43:41 PM

G-string OR Brazilian panties.. pick your choice!
The debate is on!!  ;D

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 05, 2010, 06:05:02 PM

Quote from: "5h4rK"

G-string OR Brazilian panties.. pick your choice!
The debate is on!!  ;D

The answer is clearly the "Cheekies" (that is what Victoria's Secret calls it) at least it give you some hint of imagination!  :o :wink: 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: latinjoe22 on November 05, 2010, 06:11:48 PM

Quote from: "Jay"

Quote from: "bandonov"

Wow Jay, you really love your Beast Wars!   :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: morgardee on November 05, 2010, 09:33:48 PM

Meh, I'm not really a big Transformers fan anyhow. Last one I bought was at CJC 2010 and that went to a 5 year old for his birthday.

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Pete The Greek on November 05, 2010, 10:08:55 PM

Quote from: "Jay"

Also, what do you qualify as "anime"? Because I'm certain you grew up on a metric ton of anime in the 80s.
Robotech, Voltron, Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, Battle of the Planets/G-Force...

Sorry, didn't grow up to any of that.  I never heard of three of those shows. 

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: latinjoe22 on November 06, 2010, 12:05:27 AM

Quote from: "morgardee"

Meh, I'm not really a big Transformers fan anyhow. Last one I bought was at CJC 2010 and that went to a 5 year old for his birthday.

And knowing how to pick a battle, is to win a battle, Well done sir Morg, +1 for you and we're back on track with G.I.Jack ( Oh shoot that's the name that Sunbow used to make fun of GI JOE in 1986's Transformers cartoon series 2 LOL!).

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: latinjoe22 on November 06, 2010, 07:44:26 PM

Quote from: "5h4rK"

G-string OR Brazilian panties.. pick your choice!
The debate is on!!  ;D

Oh....I get it  :shifty:

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 06, 2010, 09:03:45 PM

Quote from: "latinjoe22"

Quote from: "5h4rK"

G-string OR Brazilian panties.. pick your choice!
The debate is on!!  ;D

Oh....I get it  :shifty:

WOW did I get that wrong?!  :P

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: 5h4rK on November 06, 2010, 09:11:37 PM

+1 for LJ..  ;D

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: 5h4rK on November 06, 2010, 09:15:31 PM

Bandonov.. Bandonov... you disappoint me....  :P

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 06, 2010, 10:45:49 PM

Quote from: "5h4rK"

Bandonov.. Bandonov... you disappoint me....  :P

Sorry.... :'(   

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: bandonov on November 06, 2010, 10:51:03 PM

Can I get another chance to redeem myself?   I promise to do better next time...

Title: Re: THE HUB TO PREMIERE -G.I. JOE RENEGADES- DURING US THANKSGIVING WEEKEND
Post by: Realboss on November 09, 2010, 06:22:36 PM

Battle of the planets/G-force was one of the best shows before Voltron and that crap.

I'll give Renegades a watch.  I'll give any kind of GI Joe medium a chance before I make up my mind whether I like it or not.