Post by: Pete The Greek on October 25, 2005, 01:49:18 PM
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MC Newsletter wrote:
We now have a name for our quarterly 3 3/4” exclusives: Operation: Flaming M.O.T.H.
Last month we told you that the story is an homage to the cartoon episodes “Satellite Down” and “Revenge of Cobra”. In other words, it will have elements from both stories but we will not follow the direct story line from either episode.
In THIS story, COBRA has knocked the top-secret M.O.T.H. satellite out of orbit. This military satellite was a top-secret laser defense platform that had the potential to disrupt COBRA operations worldwide.
Desiring this technology for themselves, COBRA was able to pull the not yet operational M.O.T.H. out of orbit. In order that no one get their hands on this new technology, the satellite was programmed to break into four primary components that would be spread around the globe should it depart from its orbital plane. Now the race is on. Who will get to the pieces first? Joe? Cobra? Only you will know.
Each of the four figure sets will have a story that takes place in a particular quadrant of the globe. The debut set that is scheduled toward the end of the first quarter is the Jungle Theatre story, which includes the following two figures: Jungle Night Viper and Jungle Frag Viper. Both characters will be new versions of these two favorite vintage figures. They will come in a telescoping box like the convention set, but these boxes will be 6” x 6”. When you put all 4 of the figure sets boxes together, they will make one scene depicting the entire story! I hope you are getting excited about these club exclusives. We will bring you more information next month!
I Can't wait to see pictures and to see how this turns out. But these figures won't be cheap either.
EDIT: Pictures are up now
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Post by: morgardee on October 25, 2005, 02:22:10 PM
Post by: Raptor on October 25, 2005, 03:37:21 PM
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Post by: Pete The Greek on October 26, 2005, 01:29:21 AM
As for the boxes.....are most people in the GI JOE community really this cheap to pay an extra 8 each bucks for a box or whatever the cost is? Geesh. It's like not buying coffee for a week or getting a pizza with that coin.
Savage's mistake was not keeping this information (such as no army builder comment) under wraps until the time was right to issue a statement in the newsletter. So why are people getting bent all of shape for? Most of bitching and whining is basically coming from the same people that bitch and whine about the cost of the convention exclusives....and they are not even members of the mastercollector club. What a shocker!!! Nothing will make them happy. You want cheap figures without giving a crap about the package, then go buy freaking funskool figures.
I am planning on get one 2 pack each quarter regardless of what figures they were. All the negativity surrounded this has cheesed me off, I rather get some decent figures then getting no figures at all.
Post by: morgardee on October 26, 2005, 08:35:40 AM
I understand why some people are upset with the boxes, but I'm not that bothered by it. I realize anything from the MC group is expensive (including membership).
I have found myself bitting my tongue a couple of times over the negativity from a certain message board that Pete has made reference to. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this.
Granted yeah, I thought they were not suppose to be army builders but there is always the possibility that something happened in the last few weeks where the molds he told were O.K. to use were not available or damaged once they tried to use them. There are a few possibilities on what might have happened to change the line up but we will never know.
My greatest fear is that they will cost $50.00 a set, but we have no idea what they are going to cost. The only way I guess it's going to be around $50.00 is the average price MC sells their exclusive figures is $20.00 each, plus $8.00 for the Mech box, so I think it is safe to say that will be about the same price, so we're looking at $48.00. If that is the price then I dread all the noise that will make.
I think the best way Brian can make the collectors happy is to change the characters names and make them team leaders (Skullbuster anyone?).
Post by: Madman on October 27, 2005, 12:30:50 AM
I totally agree with your sentiment. That's why I choose to remain silent and not post anything on the other boards. I read the whole thread and it just ticks me off. It seems poeple just want to complain just for the sake of complaining or are just ignorant to a lot of facts. Though everyone is entitled to their opinions, I just wish people were more informed/educated before postings some of the stuff they do. The truth is many people don't understand the process/time/costs that go into making figures.
Big whoop, there's armybuilders in the sets. I know Brian said there wouldn't be, but heck I'm sure if it was a Duke vs CC 2 pack, the same people would still be complaining that we are getting another Duke and CC in another paint scheme. And from MC's point of view, they don't want to be stuck with a s*** load of them. So if they can unload a few more to those who can/will armybuild them, great. No one is pointing a gun to anyone's head forcing everyone to armybuild them or even get one set. I don't understand why people freak out that they can't get like 15 of them or feel they are entitled to get them cheap. Someone posting that if they can't get a few to armybuild they won't at all, just stupid. If it's out of your budget, don't get it. That simple. Those that say they are completist, that's your fault. No one forces them to collect every single thing.
Heck if MC didn't do this, we wouldn't be getting these ARAH sculpts at all. MC has used a lot of molds that Hasbro has never even considered and never will. Sure Hasbro has been doing the comic packs, but they just seem to be repaints of molds we seen over and over again. Some with new heads and others just straight repaints. Do I really need another Tunnel Rat, Duke, Flint because of a new head? That's up to the customer. Does this mean I should kiss MC's ass just for doing this? Heck no. If I don't like the product or can't afford it, I just won't purchase it.
People complaining that the figs are too expensive compared to Hasbro just don't understand the economics of it all.
I think mogardee stated, maybe some molds were unavailable, so they went to plan B. Who really knows, I mean maybe they just don't have that many molds to choose from anymore. Maybe some are being used for next years con set. If they used 8 molds of individual characters that have been used in the last few years, everyone is going to cry fowl that we are getting ripped off with repaints (which is what Hasbro is doing with the comic packs but no one is complaining). Sure it's more expensive, but these are collectibles and aren't meant for everyone.
My only complaint is that I would have preferred 1 joe and 1 cobra per set. It just seems weird to have 2 cobras. Does this mean that another set will have 2 joes or all 4 sets be cobras? If I don't like the set, I just won't purchase it. If I do I'll probably pick one up, but won't be complaining if I don't.
Also that we have to pay higher membership fees, the duties and shipping hurts. I can only imagine what a set will come out to.
Sorry for the long rant, I hope I made it clear.
Post by: Pete The Greek on October 27, 2005, 01:59:04 AM
So are Dave, Madman, Bryce etc. idiots for joining up at MC? Who knows, these 8 figures may tie into the 2006 convention set. That would make the process even better for me. It would be hard to put off a story with just 8 guys. So I never rule out anything. The one Cobra and one Joe would have made more sence but it's not my call. And Dave had a point, the figures could have been team leaders. But even then that wouldn't silence the whiners. Nothing will, including the day when Savage throws in the towel.
Post by: Realboss on October 28, 2005, 01:01:12 PM
The people who bash things on the other boards are too chicken to ask the source what gives.
Post by: Jon S. on October 28, 2005, 01:02:52 PM
Post by: morgardee on October 28, 2005, 01:20:48 PM
Anyhow, on different note it was suggested on the MC board by Brian that he could make a bag a 50 joes with one colour and sell it for $100.00. This was probably more of an off hand joke, but some people started to say they would buy them (me one of them
) so now it's changed to maybe $3.00 a figure. A couple of us are still saying if it were a blank slate then it would work as a base for customs. So 33 Blank Figures (all white) for $100.00. I doubt anything will come from this, but it's a neat idea none the less.
Post by: Raptor on October 28, 2005, 02:24:04 PM
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Anyhow, on different note it was suggested on the MC board by Brian he could make a bag a 50 joes with one colour and sell it for $100.00. this was probably more of an off hand joke, but some people started to say they would buy that (me one of them
I would totally buy that. No question. I'd even join the club for something like that.
- Raps
Post by: Raptor on October 28, 2005, 02:26:59 PM
If you get a chance, suggest that the head not have visable eyes on in because as we all know, they are a cast iron bitch to paint.
- Raps
Post by: morgardee on October 28, 2005, 03:55:04 PM
Post by: Raptor on October 29, 2005, 02:34:03 AM
But I'm personally conflicted. The white would take rit dye so well.
- Raps
Post by: Raptor on October 30, 2005, 05:56:10 PM
They could come with a little sticker kit with a silver sticker for the faceplate and the cobra logo stickers, and maybe a few other cobra stickers (nightwatch, toxo, air logos) so that you could "customize" them into whatever cobra generic type you want.
Maybe even sell the stickers seperately, so you could purchase a set of whatever logo interested you.
That would make the set appeal to just about everyone, and be really low priced to boot. Not everyone would want to paint figures, but everyone likes to put stickers on.
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Post by: Pete The Greek on November 14, 2005, 01:37:27 AM
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Actualy, a plain figure in cobra blue with a viper head would sell (not smell) like hotcakes.
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After looking at a plain blue prototype figure in this link, I don't think they would sell. You need some deco applied on them. Or they just scream of boring.
Post by: Raptor on November 14, 2005, 09:30:25 AM
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Quote from: ""Raptor""Actualy, a plain figure in cobra blue with a viper head would sell (not smell) like hotcakes.
http://lortaphanble.phpwebhosting.com/a ... /Kev34.jpg (http://lortaphanble.phpwebhosting.com/arkiv/arles/KevsCollection/images/Kev34.jpg)
After looking at a plain blue prototype figure in this link, I don't think they would sell. You need some deco applied on them. Or they just scream of boring.
You're right, to those without a paintbrush, they'd be awfully boring. You'd have to provide something to customize them somehow.
Like stickers. Seriously people, stickers!
*sigh* I am so alone on this one aren't I.
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Post by: morgardee on November 14, 2005, 11:32:41 AM
"Another thought that was brought up on the Joecanuck board was what about blank figures with sticker sheets. They can have different coloured face plate stickers and then different sub group stickers like the generic Cobra Symbol, Night Watch, Toxo, Air Logo, Drednok, etc..."
Post by: Jon S. on November 14, 2005, 12:37:19 PM
Did I miss something?
Post by: Raptor on November 15, 2005, 03:35:58 PM
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I thought the whole point was to have blank figures for customizers to paint.
Did I miss something?
Painting eyes is a bitch. But stickers for customization worked well for stickfas, and I think that this project would draw on stickfas success.
Plain figures would be fun for the joecustoms crowd, but that's only about 500 collectors of the 5000 member joe community.
Stickers would save those that don't paint from having to do so.
Naturally those that do paint would have a lot more fun...
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Post by: Jon S. on November 15, 2005, 06:32:29 PM
You know, like BATs, Tele Vipers, etc etc
Post by: Raptor on November 16, 2005, 01:46:49 PM
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Post by: Pete The Greek on March 06, 2006, 05:09:53 PM
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Frag Viper is an improvement. Night Viper on the other hand is meh.
Post by: Jon S. on March 06, 2006, 05:33:22 PM
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Post by: Pete The Greek on March 13, 2006, 12:44:41 AM
(http://http://www.mastercollector.com/articles/reviews/images/quart_FileCardsweb.jpg)
filecards posted.
I guess they are not army builders, but squad leaders. I suspected as much.
Post by: Pete The Greek on June 14, 2006, 05:25:30 PM
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Post by: Redmao on June 20, 2006, 08:40:36 PM
Post by: Pete The Greek on June 20, 2006, 10:51:49 PM
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How about your grenade thrower? Did that fit in the frag vipers hand?
You have to put it on the finger tips for it to hold in place.
Post by: Pete The Greek on June 20, 2006, 10:54:52 PM
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Any news about the membership figures yet? They were supposed to shipped in may then in june... any of you have an update?
The Americans are starting to get them in the mail as of yesterday. Hence, I expect the Canadian orders to arrive in a week or so. Then again, I am still waiting from the one from 2005.