Post by: BHMike on October 24, 2008, 11:27:16 AM
HI$$TANK
Just to let you know. We are not allowed to advertise unsponsored sites, in referring to your Joe Canuck thread...You will not be infracted but this is a warning...
MEMBER
Eh? JoeCanuck isn't selling anything, though. They're just another fansite that provides service to the fan... no money changing hands or anything.
How is that violating any rules?
HI$$TANK
It provides a service in which the service is information and such. It draws members from here and in fact is breaking the rules. HissTank members are not allowed to post links to any GI Joe news, online retailer, etc, that is not a sponsor...
HissTank Staff...
So, please do not supply any links to Hi$$Tank from this site anymore. Yes, I know we're no where near as big as Hi$$Tank, but I'm not eager about allowing links to a site that doesn't promote the hobby and toyline of GI Joe without them receiving monetary compensation. You don't start a fan site to make money from the fans, you do it for the love of the line and/or hobby.
JoeCanuck.com was made for Canadians first and foremost since sites like Hi$$Tank and YoJoe don't seem to cater to us Canucks. The newsletter does draw some new members to our site - but mainly Canadian members that would love to know when new releases are coming out in their own country. This immature action of Hi$$Tank.com shows it's owners true colours, and in doing so, leaves a blemish on the hobby of GI Joe online.
I'd like to thank all the sites that DO promote the JoeCanuck.com newsletter every month. You show that you support GI Joe and the hobby without something to "gain" from it. Thank you.
You have my full permission to post this thread in any links, forums, blogs, or such, just please include a return url back to this thread so people may have their own say on the matter.
Thank you,
Mike
Post by: Raptor on October 24, 2008, 11:45:07 AM
- R
Post by: canprime on October 24, 2008, 11:54:26 AM
I was a member and posted something that I realized after was taken the wrong way. I was given a rude and harsh warning. I asked why there was such an attitude when I had never had a single infraction there ever. I received another rude response and that was it.
I asked to be removed from the website permenantly.
I won't support that site. Good on you for not putting up with their BS.
Post by: wudstar on October 24, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Here's their thread on the matter, entitled "Why does Joepedia suck?"
EDIT - No links to that site, sorry. (Mike)
And one of their members posted to the Joepedia a page called "Kota", which in their derranged way of thinking, is about a toy eating dinosaur, or some such nonsense. I deleted it off the wiki and flagged it as vandalism
Wudstar
Post by: Canuklehead on October 24, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
Post by: BHMike on October 24, 2008, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: "Raptor"
Can we steal their bandwidth by hotlinking pics?
- R
Impossible now that this site will filter out any links to that domain now.
You can use an imagehosting service to post their images, and then post them here.
Post by: akpayne on October 24, 2008, 01:59:14 PM
I remember when Paramount went out and shut down all of the Star Trek fan sites - Hasbro could do the same to them - and I seriously doubt any profit they make gets filtered back up to the company (HASBRO) that is providing them with their reason for existing in the first place.
Post by: Raptor on October 24, 2008, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Quote from: "Raptor"Can we steal their bandwidth by hotlinking pics?
- R
Impossible now that this site will filter out any links to that domain now.
You can use an imagehosting service to post their images, and then post them here.
I was kidding, but good to know.
- R
Post by: morgardee on October 24, 2008, 03:53:23 PM
Post by: mojoel on October 24, 2008, 04:27:31 PM
Post by: Lt Storm on October 24, 2008, 06:27:54 PM
I think I'll delete my account there, don't want to a member of a site that acts like they do. Hisssss @ hisstank.com
Post by: Pete The Greek on October 24, 2008, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
HI$$TANK
It provides a service in which the service is information and such. It draws members from here and in fact is breaking the rules. HissTank members are not allowed to post links to any GI Joe news, online retailer, etc, that is not a sponsor...
I am sure all those images from their "contacts" overseas are from sponsers. ::) What a load of bullshit.
Post by: Pollinosis on October 24, 2008, 07:24:06 PM
I sent a pm to an admin and was ignored. Now I know why. What a shameful policy.
Quote
I created a thread in the G.I. Joe News and Rumors section last night. This thread was announcing the fact that issue 4 of the JoeCanuck newsletter had just been released. My thread no longer seems to be on the website.
Do you know what's going on? I don't see why it would have been deleted. A very similar thread was created about issue 3. It was even on the front page if I remember correctly.
Do threads delete themselves? I'm confused.
Post by: wudstar on October 25, 2008, 12:04:31 AM
Oops! Sorry, I was typing angry
Wudstar
Post by: jamarmiller on October 25, 2008, 03:00:55 AM
They got great news but a lot of crap goes on over there.
In the beginning they would take other sites news and pictures and post it on thiers as their own and not give credit.
stuff like this makes me not ever want to go there again
Post by: Paul Grant on October 25, 2008, 09:09:43 AM
I think a lot of these sites are owned by the same guy or company. Looks like they have the same sponsors, and affiliate links on them. Unless they're on the same affiliate network. I wonder how much money these action figure news sites can make anyway. My google ads make about 25 cents a day lol.
Post by: Canuklehead on October 26, 2008, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: "Paul Grant"
Those "Action figure news" sites are businesses, made by people who are most likely 'fans', but they're not really 'hobby sites' that someone threw together for fun. so I can understand where they're coming from. but I wonder when a 'fan' submits news, are they compensated for the content they're providing which in turn generates revenue for the business.
Thing is, that site and this site offer two completely different things. This site wouldn't be stealing visitors away from them - their visitors would still have gone there for news. Whether it's a business or not, they're not in danger of losing any visitors to Joecanuck - they're providing two completely different services.
Ironically, by acting like asses, they'll probably lose more visitors now than they would have if they had allowed the link. Or maybe that's poetic justice...
Post by: FastFord58 on October 26, 2008, 04:43:00 PM
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Hey Everyone,
I was alerted to some things that were posted here and around the net today regarding links to other sites. I would like to clarify things to our members so that no confusion occurs as to whats allowed and why.
We do not allow threads to be started solely for the purpose of promoting any website, contest, store etc. This is done for several reasons, and is done on TFW2005.com as well. The reasons are as follows.
This is a community, we are trying to build a place where folks can come and enjoy the content and fellow fans here. If threads exist solely for the fact of sending them elsewhere, that is counter productive. That's a semi-selfish point of view, but part of community building IMO.
However, we understand that there is a world, and Joe fandom, outside of Hisstank. So, in order to balance out the development of the Hisstank community with this fact, the way we encourage others to promote their sites/stores/etc, is to put links to them in their signatures. By posting in threads constructively, properly, and often, you are able to alert the fans to your sites and projects, it's a free billboard. This is allowed for other Joe sites, other non-Joe sites, or stores. That gets them exposure, and our community grows with the postings.
There is a stipulation here which I think is the cause of all the drama, sponsors. Fans may start threads discussing the sponsors which help support this site. Since they are kind enough to do this, we allow the extra "pimping" by them or for them in the form of threads.
I hope that helps clear things up. If folks still don't dig it, then there isn't much I can say or do. But thems the rules.
Later!
Post by: Scramble on October 26, 2008, 05:41:03 PM
Post by: akpayne on October 26, 2008, 06:00:32 PM
Post by: silentdusty on October 26, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
JBL has a thread against them, Joecustom's won't link them anymore, and even JoeDios has started a thread about it. I think it's time somebody got off their high horses.
Post by: jamarmiller on October 26, 2008, 06:36:36 PM
can you post a link to the other sites threads I want to throw my support
Post by: Lt Storm on October 26, 2008, 07:45:09 PM
http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12369 (http://http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12369)
found the one on joedios
http://www.joedios.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3143 (http://http://www.joedios.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3143)
Post by: BHMike on October 26, 2008, 07:59:30 PM
1: a unified body of individuals: as a: state , commonwealth b: the people with common interests living in a particular area ; broadly : the area itself
2: society at large
3 a: joint ownership or participation
Just sayin'.
Anyway, a quick search, and I've found all these sites signed up to boycott Hi$$Tank so far.
I encourage all of you to sign up to each site, thank them for their support in this, and even join in a few discussions on their boards! After all, us Joe Fans are ALL a community, right?
Army4One.com (http://http://www.army4one.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1293&p=9122)
BloodForTheBaron.com (http://http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2719)
JoeCanuck.com (http://http://www.joecanuck.com/joe/board/index.php?topic=2865.15)
JoeBattleLines.com (http://http://www.joebattlelines.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8884&p=105021)
JoeCustoms.com (http://http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12369)
JoeDios.com (http://http://www.joedios.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3143)
YoJoe would be the ultimate backer in this.... I think I need to send someone an email.
Who knows what Monday may bring.
Post by: General Scarlett on October 26, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
I've also started a thread on 'Tri-State Vipers'......
http://www.tristatevipers.com/viewtopic ... highlight= (http://www.tristatevipers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2700&highlight=)
Just doing my part for the community..
Peace
Post by: joss789 on October 26, 2008, 08:57:57 PM
What they are doing is not realy good for the community. We are collector and this is a hobby. I'm a Canadian Gijoe collector and I'm very happy when i see some links to Joe Canuck on others forums. I think we can exchange stuffs betweens differents forums. Hey, the JoeCanuck.com Newsletter is FREE. ???
This only my opinion!!
Post by: Realboss on October 26, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
Post by: wudstar on October 27, 2008, 12:20:32 AM
I want to thanks our international friends at Army4One, BloodForTheBaron, JoeBattleLines, JoeCustoms, JoeDios and Tristatevipers et al, for supporting us Canadians in this. I've been reading over all the board topics on this. Rodney King was right, we can all get along.
We Canadians have been getting the short end of the stick for Joe collecting since the franchise started. With the exception of a few store exclusives 25 years ago, it's been rough being a collector north of the continental 48. I miss getting cardbacks that don't have Flint or Cobra Commander on the front. And if we want the first years of anniversary figures, good luck finding them at retail up here. The worst is, "Oh, your in Canada? Sorry my ebay store will ship internatonally, but not to Canada." WTF?!?
But I digress.
Anyway, thank you whole-heartedly for joining in this cause.
Wudstar
p.s., sorry for the rant
Post by: BHMike on October 27, 2008, 06:37:52 AM
Post by: General Scarlett on October 27, 2008, 08:40:20 AM
If I find it from one of the other boards, I'll bring it here....
Post by: BHMike on October 27, 2008, 09:42:31 AM
Thanks for the PMs guys. ;-)
Post by: Stealth Viper on October 27, 2008, 09:53:26 AM
http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?s= ... ic=2058302 (http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?s=3354edbaeddc00dd88542f59e4f5651f&showtopic=2058302)
Post by: RedClaw on October 27, 2008, 12:19:51 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
YoJoe would be the ultimate backer in this.... I think I need to send someone an email.
Who knows what Monday may bring.
:shifty:
http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php? ... post389960 (http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php?p=389960#post389960)
Post by: Stealth Viper on October 27, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
Quote from: "RedClaw"
*ahem* YoJoe is in full support :wink:
http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php? ... post389960 (http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php?p=389960#post389960)
Awesome. You rock ;D
Post by: zedhatch on October 27, 2008, 05:13:04 PM
www.zedsjoesite.com (http://www.zedsjoesite.com)
Post by: Dream on October 27, 2008, 06:49:59 PM
Post by: Jon S. on October 27, 2008, 09:16:24 PM
I'm not going to START going there now...
Post by: danielb on October 28, 2008, 04:22:05 AM
Post by: General Scarlett on October 28, 2008, 07:58:18 AM
*once again, props to 'CrimsonGuardVet76' over @ 'Tri-State Vipers'*
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In fact, to further clarify our non-desire to restrict anything, and just make sure this community is strong, and threads are useful and relevant, I am going to do 2 things right now.
1. A "PIMP YOUR STUFF" thread. You can link to any site, related to G.I. Joe's, for any reason. Their non-news updates, their non-news content, their saying that they think the color red is awesome. Whatever you want.
Again, news and new-content based info, reviews by personal fans, are allowed to be referenced in their own threads already.
The Non-Hisstank website update and resources thread.
2. A Deals and Coupons thread, for stores other than sponsors. Sponsors are needed to keep larger websites running, look at any of the others and you will see that. But to counter act any "OMG they are restricting my freedomz!" type feelings, you can use that thread to find and discuss any deal from any store on the internet.
The Official G.I. Joe Deals and Coupons Thread
That keeps those things contained, so that there aren't 100 pimp my stuff threads clogging up the forum list, and regular Hisstankers, or lurkers, can have that resource.
If that doesn't quell any of this communist accusation BS, I dunno what will.
It's really that last line that's the *most* special, inn't it? ::)
Post by: Stealth Viper on October 28, 2008, 08:08:34 AM
Post by: General Scarlett on October 28, 2008, 08:12:29 AM
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The Non-Hisstank website update and resources thread.
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If you run, or visit, another GI Joe based website, or website with GI Joe content, and you would like to alert the community to something there, feel free to use this thread to do so.
This is for non "Ground Breaking" topics, such as their content updates, site redesigns, newsletters, archive udpates, etc.
If what you are posting is "News", aka, something the fandom hasn't seen before, or it is "additional info" for an already ongoing topic here, you can still post new threads and/or respond to threads with external links.
This is for pimping, or referencing non-super-new content.
Why are we doing this? Because we don't want threads popping up every time another site updates with content either already here at Hisstank, or elsewhere in the fandom, just because that particular site decided to put it up. It clogs up the forum thread listing, and generally does nothing to build the community here. But, as a resource to the fans, you can scan this thread for something you may have missed, and see that other sites exist.
Post by: morgardee on October 28, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Quote from: "General Scarlett"
'Kay, so I just went 'there' to see what's what....and this is the 'header post' of the 'new sub-forum'....QuoteThe Non-Hisstank website update and resources thread.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you run, or visit, another GI Joe based website, or website with GI Joe content, and you would like to alert the community to something there, feel free to use this thread to do so.
This is for non "Ground Breaking" topics, such as their content updates, site redesigns, newsletters, archive udpates, etc.
If what you are posting is "News", aka, something the fandom hasn't seen before, or it is "additional info" for an already ongoing topic here, you can still post new threads and/or respond to threads with external links.
This is for pimping, or referencing non-super-new content.
Why are we doing this? Because we don't want threads popping up every time another site updates with content either already here at Hisstank, or elsewhere in the fandom, just because that particular site decided to put it up. It clogs up the forum thread listing, and generally does nothing to build the community here. But, as a resource to the fans, you can scan this thread for something you may have missed, and see that other sites exist.
The problem with that is the newsletter does have new news from time to time, like the International figure card backs or the interview with Larry Hama. Do they even read the newsletter? It's not just guys saying "I remember playing with Snow Job in a big snow bank as a kid" or things like that. The newsletter is a free resource to everyone, that covers a variety of subjects.
Really, I think the damage is done, and nothing short of a full apology to all other fan groups (not just Joe Canuck) will settle things down. It would also help if they admit they need to re-think how they perceive fandom in general.
Looking on the positive side of things, wow! I'm very impressed with how the community has all come together on this one. I know all the message boards have members that go between more then one group. I myself mainly post here, but I'm fairly active on the MC boards and a lurker on JoeCustoms. It's just great to see how we all have each others backs on this one. We really are one big family.
Thanks guys!
Post by: canprime on October 28, 2008, 10:44:14 AM
In the future, they should be told to refrain from using anything in the newsletter, or the website, that is NEWS. They chose this path and now should live by it.
If you guys get news in your newsletter, then too bad HT, you can't link or use that news. "YOUR" members will have to go to another site to get the news.
Ok, no more being spiteful. (Honest! ;D)
Post by: wudstar on October 28, 2008, 02:35:27 PM
Wudstar
Post by: BHMike on October 28, 2008, 03:16:57 PM
Quote from: "wudstar"
As a sidebar (slightly off topic), I showed this thread to my wife (she's an avid boards poster, but not on Joe sites), and she read about our situation on a LOTR fan site, and they weren't using HI$$ for the spelling, but rather a phrase for being drunk that rhymes with the name of the offending site. I won't sink to writing it here.
Wudstar
What? You're telling me a non-Joe site is talking about this situation as well?
Please feel free to post a link to that LOTR site.
Post by: sniper on October 28, 2008, 03:43:33 PM
Self-serving nature seems pretty obvious.
Post by: wudstar on October 28, 2008, 03:53:51 PM
Please feel free to post a link to that LOTR site.
[/quote]
My mistake, she was looking at LOTR customs on Joecustoms.com that someone had linked to from one of her boards
Wudstar
Post by: Wild Weasel on October 28, 2008, 09:04:09 PM
With that said, I'm not here to "pimp", but to extend a welcome to you guys to post any information, including announcements about your newsletter at The Terror Drome (www.theterrordrome.com (http://http://www.theterrordrome.com)). It's open invitation to all of you.
One final thing, I have to say, anybody from a country that can provide Tim Horton's to another is alright in my book. ;)
Post by: wudstar on October 28, 2008, 09:15:12 PM
Quote from: "wudstar"
As a sidebar (slightly off topic), I showed this thread to my wife (she's an avid boards poster, but not on Joe sites), and she read about our situation on a LOTR fan site, and they weren't using HI$$ for the spelling, but rather a phrase for being drunk that rhymes with the name of the offending site. I won't sink to writing it here.
Wudstar
Oops, I should have verified before i posted, the other name for HI$$ was my wife's creation
sorry for adding fuel to the fire
Post by: BHMike on October 28, 2008, 10:00:40 PM
Welcome aboard Weasel, feel free to post whatever you'd like on your news page about JoeCanuck.com and the newsletter!
Just to update something I saw at JoeCustoms tonight:
http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewto ... 10#p139356 (http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=139356&f=10#p139356)
Quote from: "carnage717"
Well after Tony's never ending backpedaling yesterday it looks like they cant even keep their word for one day. Early this morning I was checking their Forums and I noticed someone posted a link to TNI that showed that In Package pics to the Ghost Hawk and Cobra Stinger. He even posted the link to TNI in his post. Now before this Hisstank has not had any In package pics which means that since TNI got them first then the link should have been allowed to remain since they got scooped on the pics. So I figured I would bookmark the thread just to see what happens. I noticed that Hisstank now has 2 threads on their front page talking about the in package pics and the threads posted were created almost 6 hours after the one with the TNI link was posted. So now I go back to check the bookmark to thread with the TNI link in it and it has now been completely changed. The link to the to TNI has been erased and replaced with a link to the Hisstank Front Page and the in-package pics that were originally posted on TNI have been uploaded to their server and are posted in that thread. Just goes to show you that you cant trust anything that comes out of their mouth.
Also, out of curiosity, I checked that site today, and I got lost. I couldn't find this new thread that people are talking about - where all non HT stuff goes in. So I gave up. I see the owner did ask that if I wish to speak to him, I can sign up and PM him. How nice... I don't see why I should have to sign up to a site to see images or just to contact someone. I'm content with how things are, so if he wants to speak to me, he can - and he doesn't have to join JoeCanuck to do so. email@joecanuck.com works just fine.
...and just so we're up to speed, I've seen links/mentions on all these message board/news sites thusfar, so kudos to each of you, and thank you.
Army4One.com (http://http://www.army4one.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1293&p=9122)
BloodForTheBaron.com (http://http://www.bloodforthebaron.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2719)
JoeCanuck.com (http://http://www.joecanuck.com/joe/board/index.php?topic=2865.15)
JoeBattleLines.com (http://http://www.joebattlelines.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8884&p=105021)
JoeCustoms.com (http://http://www.joecustoms.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12369)
JoeDios.com (http://http://www.joedios.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3143)
ToyNewsI.com (http://http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?showtopic=2058302)
TriStateVipers.com (http://http://www.tristatevipers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2700)
YoJoe.com (http://http://forums.yojoe.com/showthread.php?p=389960)
I know there are other sites out there, and if I missed any, please let me know ASAP. Some haven't posted anything about this, but I think that could be because some of them are 'waiting' to see what comes out of this before claiming who they'd like to support. That's their right, and I fully respect it... but in the meantime, if YOU feel like posting links to this thread on those sites that currently have no mention of it, please feel free to do so. Just be sure to come back here and toss that referral link in this thread so we can add it to the list. .
Thanks again guys, I haven't seen any other community of collectors come together on anything like the way all of us Joe Fans have done this week.
- Mike
Post by: General Scarlett on October 28, 2008, 10:53:58 PM
Post by: Wild Weasel on October 29, 2008, 12:54:21 AM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Welcome aboard Weasel, feel free to post whatever you'd like on your news page about JoeCanuck.com and the newsletter!
- Mike
Thanks. I will do my best to help promote JoeCanuck!
Jason
(aka Wild Weasel)
Post by: Captain Tomorrow on October 29, 2008, 08:24:57 AM
Post by: BHMike on October 29, 2008, 10:53:26 AM
Quote from: "Captain Tomorrow"
I think we should start a boycott against LINK REMOVED. I know most people here hate them, plenty of other sites hate them, so I think we should all work together and just boycott them altogether until they change their policies. Who's in?
You're a little late. :wink:
What do you think all these threads on the various sites mentioned is about?
It's not that we hate them, hate is a strong word and that's not what this is about.
Post by: Lt Storm on October 30, 2008, 04:36:10 PM
Post by: Wild Weasel on October 30, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: "Lt Storm"
You have a cool site there Wild Weasel I'm gonna have to visit it later when I have more time and add it to my list.
Thanks, just trying to give back to the community. Still have some things to address with it, and still have some features we are looking to push out soon hopefully.
Post by: grunt 4 mvp on October 30, 2008, 08:40:19 PM
It's moved down a notch on my list now. It currently stands at notch zero.
Post by: Moodslime on November 02, 2008, 10:56:23 PM
I can't believe all this garbage still goes on. I also thought that Bacula had fallen off the map. Didn't know he was doing "HIS STANK" site. I am glad I never joined there. The YoJoe support is great ta boot! What an awesome Community support!
Actually I don't really say much here anyways... mostly just lurk...
Post by: jamarmiller on November 05, 2008, 07:13:13 PM
Post by: jamarmiller on November 05, 2008, 07:56:37 PM
I posted some news on hisstank and they changed the source to something else ( but still credited me ) and when I changed it back.................
well and this is the messages in Reverse order that I got from them LOL
here is my message to destro
you need to get your story straight, you have NO IDEA where I got this info
please delete my account here, I dont want to be a part of anything that has anything do to with this site and I will be discussing this on other boards ( EVERY board )
I have business dealings with Panini ( current ) and that is how I got my info NOT deviant art or his blog
you need to get your story straight first
im tired of your pathetic little crap that you pull and evey joe site out there will know it for sure!
get ready for more!
your messages has been copied and will be pasted
Proud to say I been banned from Hisstank
Jamar
Quote:
Originally Posted by DESTRO
If you Discuss PM's on any other board or in public it will be in violation of the forums rules and subject to instant Ban.
Again we linked directly to the Artist Make sure you get your story correct when you tell it.
Destro
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamarmiller
my source was a different person and place so you assuming deviant art was the original source was your own assumptions and incorrect.
Ill be discussing this on the other joe boards
thank you for your e-mail
Quote:
Originally Posted by DESTRO
Whats up Jamarmiller
Just wanted to let you know that the original source for the information was posted on our forums.
Please do not remove this link. I know you are fully aware of the linking police. If you have any other question about this issue do not post them on the board PM me directly.
Thanks again
Destro
Post by: Wild Weasel on November 05, 2008, 09:27:27 PM
Post by: BHMike on November 05, 2008, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: "jamarmiller"
Please do not remove this link. I know you are fully aware of the linking police.
WTF is the linking police?
I would love to have a conversation with the owner of that site.
Seriously, I would. Unfortunately there's no email addy for him visible without becoming a member. And I'm not going to add to their member status just to view a picture, or just to contact someone.
Post by: Pete The Greek on November 05, 2008, 10:53:58 PM
1) Linking police? :lol:
2) Who the heck signs off with their board name in a pm?
Post by: Raptor on November 05, 2008, 10:58:15 PM
So, keep up the good work.
-
Post by: BHMike on November 05, 2008, 11:22:43 PM
Post by: Wild Weasel on November 05, 2008, 11:27:08 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
I also wonder if this rule about posting PMs on other boards is a new rule?...
New or not, it's not like you sign some kind of "confidentiality agreement" saying you won't post PM's elsewhere. This just gets dumber and dumber.
Post by: morgardee on November 06, 2008, 10:44:02 AM
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The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
Yep, that's the first time I think I've ever quoted Star Wars on a joe board but it seems to fit.
Post by: jamarmiller on November 06, 2008, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: "Wild Weasel"
Honestly, can someone please tell me what is their problem? I just don't get it. I don't get why they feel to manipulate every single thing on their site? Jamar, I'm glad to see you stand up to them like that. What they did is complete BS.
thanks guys , we definately need to stand up and let it be known all about the crap hisstank does. This is not the first time they have done this either to me, I have several times posted breaking news on their site and they always change it to something else instead of crediting the proper JOE board, I have complained in the past and this time was just the last straw especially with what happened with the canuck news letter
basically there a business and not fans so other sites only take away revenue from them. I have said it before and Ill say it again we all need to contact the sponsors on the hisstank board and make our voices heard. take away thier revunue sources and theyll be gone
Post by: SnakeEyesOnAPlane on November 06, 2008, 06:14:57 PM
Post by: ARROW on November 06, 2008, 07:10:14 PM
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take away thier revunue sources and theyll be gone
Um...........
Do you realize that you are threatening someone's livelihood because you do not like their website........something which you are neither beholden to use nor need to have any traffic in??
Put the shoe on the other foot for a minute, and think about what you are proposing.
Is it fair, in ANY respect, to ruin someone's business because you do not like how its run?
Might be time to invoke some common sense.
Why not just not patronize or acknowledge them at all, and let them carry on as they please?
If they badly manage their site and forums, people and advertisers will leave of their own accord.
Fomenting that, or seeking to "get rid of them" makes those that do not like them as BAD as they claim the managers of Hisstank to be.
After all, will it cost you anything if they continue to operate??
Somehow..........I think not.........
Post by: canprime on November 06, 2008, 07:34:25 PM
Quote from: "ARROW"
Quotetake away thier revunue sources and theyll be gone
Um...........
Do you realize that you are threatening someone's livelihood because you do not like their website........something which you are neither beholden to use nor need to have any traffic in??
Put the shoe on the other foot for a minute, and think about what you are proposing.
Is it fair, in ANY respect, to ruin someone's business because you do not like how its run?
Might be time to invoke some common sense.
Why not just not patronize or acknowledge them at all, and let them carry on as they please?
If they badly manage their site and forums, people and advertisers will leave of their own accord.
Fomenting that, or seeking to "get rid of them" makes those that do not like them as BAD as they claim the managers of Hisstank to be.
After all, will it cost you anything if they continue to operate??
Somehow..........I think not.........
Actually, yes it is. That is what most boycotts are about. As well, most people/consumers have limited options when it comes to "media."
That is why the boycott of sponsors, and letter writing to them is generally the only recourse.
Granted, like with most media, I feel the "don't like it, don't use it" ideal is better for all involved.
However, IF, and I do mean IF this is Destro/Kickback/Tony's only livelihood, then he should remember that he is running a business that needs customers. So what do most businesses do? They do as much as they possibly can to keep their customers happy. He isn't the only game in town and if your business gets a reputation for shady practices, then you are in trouble. His protectionism practices are what alienate people, and a member, or non-member, has the right to take umbrage with his practices any way they see fit, including boycotting his sites/sponsors/etc. They are the ones paying the bills, so they are the ones you have to contact when you feel you aren't being heard.
Post by: BHMike on November 06, 2008, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: "ARROW"
After all, will it cost you anything if they continue to operate??
Somehow..........I think not.........
When I had my toy store for 6 years, I didn't like all the other toy/comic store owners. BUT, I always referred people to them, and even had directions to their stores from my store, on my website.
Why did I do this? To BETTER THE HOBBY.
I also did it because I'm not stupid. I know people are aware of other stores out there, I was using the other stores to promote my store, and those stores (most times) returned the favour. I enjoyed telling other people to check out this store of that store. 99.9% of the time they came back - even if it was just to say thanks for telling them about the other place.
You see, with a store, or a site - being friends, or at least cordial with the other stores / sites is always good business. You never know when you may need one of them at some point in time. As is proven with the recent backlash with HT.
Hi$$Tanks policy is such that if we want to promote the Canadian Joe Convention (The ONLY Joe Con in Canada by the way), we would have to become a sponsor.
Why?... Why does yojoe.com, joecustoms.com, joesightings, etc etc etc all promote the Canadian Joe Con every year (formally the Canadian Joe Meet), yet Hi$$Tank has NEVER posted it as front page news? Hasbro is involved with it.... Larry Hama was at it last year... we have a great turnout and people are always happy.... so why don't they even mention it on the main page?...... I actually KNOW the reason for this now, it all became clear to me a week or so ago, courtesy of a mod at HT. (Mod, not Admin - the Admin is the problem apparently).
So, while it may not cost us anything if HT still operates how they are, I see NO reason why we should help them to make more money by allowing those links and referrals, thus allowing more people to sign up to their boards, and have the owner use those extra members as MORE reason to charge high amounts of money to their sponsors.
For the record, JoeCanuck.com is also a business - but we only strive to break even and enjoy giving back to the Joe community. Which is why we have a FREE newsletter each month and have given out thousands of free trading cards.
Each site has it's own reasons why they don't want anything to do with HT. The treatment one of our members got when he posted the news of a free newsletter is why we don't want anything to do with them now.
Should someone post that the newest Newsletter is available on that site, or post info about the Canadian GI Joe Convention - then great, we thank you for it, and I'd thank HT as well if they posted it on the main page. But we don't expect it, especially going forward from today.
Lets see if this makes more sense: (Inspired by something Jin Satome said)
Collecting is a hobby that should be shared for free. That includes sharing any sites, news, pictures, and any knowledge (old or new) that will help the next person enjoy the hobby more.
Mike
Post by: Raptor on November 07, 2008, 09:05:42 AM
Quote from: "ARROW"
Quotetake away thier revunue sources and theyll be gone
Um...........
Do you realize that you are threatening someone's livelihood because you do not like their website........something which you are neither beholden to use nor need to have any traffic in??
Put the shoe on the other foot for a minute, and think about what you are proposing.
Is it fair, in ANY respect, to ruin someone's business because you do not like how its run?
Might be time to invoke some common sense.
Why not just not patronize or acknowledge them at all, and let them carry on as they please?
If they badly manage their site and forums, people and advertisers will leave of their own accord.
Fomenting that, or seeking to "get rid of them" makes those that do not like them as BAD as they claim the managers of Hisstank to be.
After all, will it cost you anything if they continue to operate??
Somehow..........I think not.........
Who makes a living off an internet bulletin board site?
And this "protest" is simply applying HISS-tank's own policies to them on other boards. How could that possibly be considered unfair? Yes, it makes us "as bad as they are" but it's only reciprocity, and nothing more.
I think I read somewhere something about "doing on to others as you would have them do on to you." You can't have it both ways - you can't hoard traffic and still expect others to send traffic to you.
As Mike said, a policy like that is bad for the community, bad for the hobby, and bad for the relationships between the people that run the sites.
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Post by: Moodslime on November 07, 2008, 02:43:39 PM
Post by: thatcarlguy on November 07, 2008, 03:59:07 PM
A simple email to a sponsor could go a long way because Hi$$ makes their sponsors look bad with their behavior.
"Dear *insert sponsors name*
I'm a visitor of the Hisstank website that you sponsor and I was wondering if you or the other sponsors had asked them to only link sponsored sites to their website? "
Then proceed to tell them what has been going on and suggest that the Mod's behavior reflects poorly on them too.
Just a suggestion. :)
Post by: jamarmiller on November 08, 2008, 09:44:32 AM
Im going to go and laugh at his comon sense comment now.
thanks guys
Post by: Lt Storm on November 12, 2008, 12:39:59 PM
I run a rental shop and deal with homeowners/contractors/farmers on a daily basis. There are other businesses "competition" or not that have a bad name. I get people talking bad about them all the time, when I have to refer them to someone else its their choice. I've also had run-ins with people who I know talk bad about me (mostly cause they were idiots and didn't want to admit it :lol:
Post by: BHMike on November 12, 2008, 01:31:50 PM
Post by: Lt Storm on November 12, 2008, 01:39:03 PM
Post by: Dr.Mind on November 14, 2008, 02:04:25 AM
Post by: jamarmiller on November 14, 2008, 02:44:35 AM
Post by: Dr.Mind on November 14, 2008, 02:56:36 AM
Post by: jamarmiller on November 14, 2008, 03:45:42 AM
dont take my word for it, contact them yourselfs or you can check joebattlelines and see OTHER posters say the same thing ( who are members of both)
Are they the same PERSON? Im pretty sure Destro who runs the site is different from the other guys at Tfw2005.com
are they affilitated? yes that is certain but im not for sure its the same guy ( I COULD BE WRONG)
but even if its the same guy, they dont use the same tactics on both boards
so whatever you point was, its still not made with the TFW2005.COM example
Post by: Wild Weasel on November 14, 2008, 06:56:55 AM
As for the link issue, I think jamarmiller is right. I believe TFW2005 does allow links. Just not sure to what extent.
Post by: Raptor on November 14, 2008, 08:18:01 AM
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Post by: Dr.Mind on November 14, 2008, 10:16:51 AM
Post by: Lt Storm on November 14, 2008, 02:56:31 PM
To me its more about making noise to get them to change their policies and join the rest of the community as a whole.
Post by: BHMike on November 14, 2008, 04:26:37 PM
JoeCanuck.com
New Joe AND COBRA 5 Pack Images!
Posted Today at 12:43:58 PM by Stealth Viper
Hi$$tank board
New Joe 5-pack images
Today, 02:05 PM by Roadblock Recall
Hi$$Tank.com Front Page
Posted on 11-14-2008 at 04:36 PM by DESTRO
There was a referral link on the thread that Roadblock Recall posted, then another link to us on another post in the same thread. Suddenly it gets posted as front page news - and all links to us (the original posters) are gone!? But... Credit goes to Roadblock Recall, not for finding them here and posting them there, but for making the post in the first place I guess??
I thought they said they do allow posts that inform others of relevant news? THIS would be - no?
Post by: Lt Storm on November 14, 2008, 04:38:15 PM
Why don't they want to be part of the community? It's not like they are the premier site for Joe news anyway.
What is so hard about making friends with the rest of the Joe boards?
Oh no, you might have to give someone else credit for something. :o
Post by: maulsballs on November 14, 2008, 04:44:36 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Someone on the HT boards should call them out on this:
JoeCanuck.com
New Joe AND COBRA 5 Pack Images!
Posted Today at 12:43:58 PM by Stealth Viper
Hi$$tank board
New Joe 5-pack images
Today, 02:05 PM by Roadblock Recall
Hi$$Tank.com Front Page
Posted on 11-14-2008 at 04:36 PM by DESTRO
There was a referral link on the thread that Roadblock Recall posted, then another link to us on another post in the same thread. Suddenly it gets posted as front page news - and all links to us (the original posters) are gone!? But... Credit goes to Roadblock Recall, not for finding them here and posting them there, but for making the post in the first place I guess??
I thought they said they do allow posts that inform others of relevant news? THIS would be - no?
Now what I don't get is that Hasbro sent out these images, and it seems that all the sites get them the same day. One usually gets them up first, and then they start filtering up one by one. So, why is is that everyone thinks that Hisstank is the only one stealing them, and not the other sites too like YoJoe? I checked and they also seem to have them. So, did YoJoe steal them too? I understand the argument about the not linking, I certainly see why there is a fuss over that, I just don't see why one site is charged with stealing images andothers aren't. And if they are, why doesn't everyone just watermark them so it would be apparent that they were taken from another site.
Post by: Stealth Viper on November 14, 2008, 04:47:03 PM
Quote from: "maulsballs"
Now what I don't get is that Hasbro sent out these images, and it seems that all the sites get them the same day. One usually gets them up first, and then they start filtering up one by one. So, why is is that everyone thinks that Hisstank is the only one stealing them, and not the other sites too like YoJoe? I checked and they also seem to have them. So, did YoJoe steal them too?
You are 100% correct.
Where HT went wrong was crediting the poster of the thread pointing here, then editing his thread, pointing to their own images, basically discrediting the link he posted, as well as the source of the post.
The same thing was posted in Yojoe's Forums, but when they posted the pics they didn't edit the forum thread, or credit the poster of that thread for the pics.
Post by: maulsballs on November 14, 2008, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
Okay, that I get.Quote from: "maulsballs"
Now what I don't get is that Hasbro sent out these images, and it seems that all the sites get them the same day. One usually gets them up first, and then they start filtering up one by one. So, why is is that everyone thinks that Hisstank is the only one stealing them, and not the other sites too like YoJoe? I checked and they also seem to have them. So, did YoJoe steal them too?
You are 100% correct.
Where HT went wrong was crediting the poster of the thread pointing here, then editing his thread, pointing to their own images, basically discrediting the link he posted, as well as the source of the post.
The same thing was posted in Yojoe's Forums, but when they posted the pics they didn't edit the forum thread, or credit the poster of that thread for the pics.
Post by: BHMike on November 14, 2008, 04:49:23 PM
Quote from: "maulsballs"
Now what I don't get is that Hasbro sent out these images, and it seems that all the sites get them the same day. One usually gets them up first, and then they start filtering up one by one. So, why is is that everyone thinks that Hisstank is the only one stealing them, and not the other sites too like YoJoe?
To add what Stealth said - goto www.joesightings.com (http://www.joesightings.com) - you'll see they are hosting the images themselves, but they gave us full credit for posting and annoucing them. They're not trying to make it seem like THEY got the images, they're being honest.
Post by: Stealth Viper on November 14, 2008, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
To add what Stealth said - goto www.joesightings.com (http://www.joesightings.com) - you'll see they are hosting the images themselves, but they gave us full credit for posting and annoucing them. They're not trying to make it seem like THEY got the images, they're being honest.
To be fair, it's entirely possible that joesightings.com didn't get the pics direct and took them from here/linked them from here, and thus gave us the credit.
Regardless, I'm just happy to see the new pics! Enough inter-forum bickering!
Post by: maulsballs on November 14, 2008, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
So, does that mean that everyone does not get them? I LONG ago worked on a Star Wars site that I will not mention, and Hasbro sent out promo images to all the sites, is that not how it works anymore? Or maybe because the Star Wars team is different that the Joe team?Quote from: "maulsballs"Now what I don't get is that Hasbro sent out these images, and it seems that all the sites get them the same day. One usually gets them up first, and then they start filtering up one by one. So, why is is that everyone thinks that Hisstank is the only one stealing them, and not the other sites too like YoJoe?
To add what Stealth said - goto www.joesightings.com (http://www.joesightings.com) - you'll see they are hosting the images themselves, but they gave us full credit for posting and annoucing them. They're not trying to make it seem like THEY got the images, they're being honest.
Post by: Lt Storm on November 14, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
Post by: Stealth Viper on November 14, 2008, 04:57:34 PM
Quote from: "maulsballs"
So, does that mean that everyone does not get them? I LONG ago worked on a Star Wars site that I will not mention, and Hasbro sent out promo images to all the sites, is that not how it works anymore? Or maybe because the Star Wars team is different that the Joe team?
Most bigger sites do get them, as far as I know. Who is and isn't on that list exactly, I don't know. Yojoe, TNI and Hiss Tank all have them up, as do we. It's fair to think they all got them, and posted them when they could. That's all fine and good, and no one has a problem with that, as far as I know.
Going back to what I said earlier, it's the editing of the thread to make it seem like it never happened that is the source of the animosity of some.
A lot of times I don't get to the pics before they are up elsewhere. Typically I won't even host them here then, just either 1) Point to whoever does have them (typically Yojoe or TNI) or 2) Join the discussion over at that board.
Post by: AirborneRigger on November 17, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
We make sure to give credit where credit is due when reporting new info on Joesightings.com. And I'm the one that posted that. I'm just a News Writer on joesightings.com so I don't have the contacts that the moderators may have, so I have to get my news from other sources but I do cite them.Quote from: "THE Mike?"
To add what Stealth said - goto www.joesightings.com (http://www.joesightings.com) - you'll see they are hosting the images themselves, but they gave us full credit for posting and annoucing them. They're not trying to make it seem like THEY got the images, they're being honest.
To be fair, it's entirely possible that joesightings.com didn't get the pics direct and took them from here/linked them from here, and thus gave us the credit.
Regardless, I'm just happy to see the new pics! Enough inter-forum bickering!
Post by: ct nightviper on November 29, 2008, 10:38:23 AM
Post by: Hisscommander on December 02, 2008, 09:09:15 AM
I was a member of the Stank for a long time. I had over 2000+ posts, a page or so of positive feedback and no infractions.
I got into an altercation at toyark.com which is the newest site owned by the Stank staff and am now blackballed from all sites owned by them.
without warning i was IP banned from all sites, and all my posts and profiles were deleted. all of this was done by the man himself, DESTRO (or douchetro as i call him)
this is what i received:
"DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL!
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Dear HissCommander,
You have received a new private message at LINK REMOVED - G.I. Joe from DESTRO, entitled "You are being Banned Final Notice".
This is the message that was sent:
***************
I am Ip banning you from both Hiss Tank and ToyArk for Rules violations."
now as far as i know i didnt break any rules on the stank, because for 1 i wasnt even logged in at them time.
I sent an email to Douchetro asking WTF? and this is what i got:
"I own both sites, what you do on one is the same as the other. Did you really think acting out to a MOD for simply for doing a his job was a good idea knowing the sites are connected?
Not a very smart since the rules are the same on the tank.
Honestly what did you think was going to happen?
so pretty much "i own everything i do what i want sucks to be you"
These guys are a waste of time. They piss all over the fans because they think there is enough of them that they can do whatever they want. They steal peoples info, copyrighted material, and more claiming it theirs and then delete anything to do with other sites and BAN anyone who brings this problem up.
the site seems to be strictly for profit, and to be the "biggest and best" site around.
I am also a member of a number of smaller joe sites and the hatred for the stank seems to be growing and growing.
the Stanks "dont bite the hand that feeds" attitude is very misguided as the fans are the hand that feed. Without all the fan hits and traffic you loose your sponsors and your site is useless and little Fran is just another douche bag sitting on his computer writing blogs about how the world is out to get him and the government is evil or something.
I remember that joecanuck fiasco over at the tank.
i like the "We are not allowed to advertise un-sponsored sites" yet they front page info from un-sponsored sites all the time.
The thing that cracks me up is they monitor all these joe sites that are "un-sponsored" and any new info that pops up on they post on their site as their own?
one big thing i noticed was they will take pics from TNI and other toy sites and edit out the watermark or copyright and post them on the site saying "look what i found" yet if you post anything from those sites they delete the post and infract you?
I urge any collector and/or joe fan to avoid them at all costs. They are the problem with toy collecting. We are an open community that shares info, events, and items without bias.
To separate yourself from the community calling everyone else bad and claiming everything as your own is the wrong way to go and is a terrible bash to all collectors.
Post by: Wild Weasel on December 02, 2008, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: Lt Storm on December 02, 2008, 10:11:44 AM
They obviously do not care about having a bad rep.
Post by: BHMike on December 02, 2008, 10:28:26 AM
What boggles my mind, is if Hasbro doesn't like HT posting images, or using the HT name, likeness, images, - all copyrights owned by Hasbro - WHY does Hasbro include HT as one of teh sites to "ask questions". ??
Post by: akpayne on December 02, 2008, 11:00:42 AM
I have 0 use for that site, and their backwards narrow minded way of doing things.
Post by: Wild Weasel on December 02, 2008, 01:15:19 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Controversy creates cash. It's a proven fact.
What boggles my mind, is if Hasbro doesn't like HT posting images, or using the HT name, likeness, images, - all copyrights owned by Hasbro - WHY does Hasbro include HT as one of teh sites to "ask questions". ??
Who said this? It is my understanding that Fran is friends with one of the VP's there. I doubt any "ruling" will come down on them.
Post by: Hisscommander on December 02, 2008, 09:23:48 PM
Post by: FastFord58 on December 11, 2008, 08:16:51 PM
Anyway, I do go there as part of my daily webpage routine, but post as little as possible. Actually, I'm a totally different user name there, which is odd for me. I guess I had a premonition about that place. It always seemed a bit corporate...like the Microsoft of Joe sites.