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Title: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Radio Guy on August 08, 2010, 03:27:55 PM
Last night 2 con sets were listed, along with a set from the 2009 Can Joe Con.  I don't expect everyone to keep their set as I plan to do with mine, but still, I'm disgusted by the idea that somone stood in line for hours just to get a set and then flip it mere hours later.  I know it happens all the time, and it's one of the pitfalls when a small intimate gathering of friends at a "Joe Meet" grows to "Convenion Size", but knowing how much time, effort and passion the CJC crew puts in to these things, it still pisses me off.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 03:43:12 PM
What can you do?! I saw a dealer that had 10 "friends" in line that all got CON sets.  I'm sure they will be on eBay any time now. I guess the only way to stop this is to increase the supply (I know it will be alot more work) this will decrease the demand and people will actually keep their sets and "Scalpers" will not buy them to flip as they will be stuck with them. As if you can see now the demand for the 2009 CON set has decreased as people are not willing to drop over $500 for it now. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bron on August 08, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
If you read my post in the feedback thread, you'll know that I'm not involved in this community at all. There were some sets left when I got into the convention, and I half played with the idea of buying one just to store away. But I didn't because I felt like it belonged to someone that truly treasured it. Sadly this will always happen as the price of the set itself is far cheaper than a plane ticket. :/
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Editor on August 08, 2010, 03:50:02 PM
In a case like the FunPub Joecon/Botcon sets, I honestly expect stuff to be on auction sites immediately. I also expect FP knows this will happen anyways which is why they produce extra sets for purchase.

In this case however, due to the smaller runs and the more personal nature of the convention the practice just seems off. I can understand selling your sets if you are in a money situation. But going thru the entire process just to turn it around immediately, I couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: fairplaythings on August 08, 2010, 04:12:55 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
What can you do?! I saw a dealer that had 10 "friends" in line that all got CON sets.  I'm sure they will be on eBay any time now. I guess the only way to stop this is to increase the supply (I know it will be alot more work) this will decrease the demand and people will actually keep their sets and "Scalpers" will not buy them to flip as they will be stuck with them. As if you can see now the demand for the 2009 CON set has decreased as people are not willing to drop over $500 for it now. 

There's not a lot one can do, particularly when they have "friends" willing to endulge them. I know I've sold extra exclusives I've picked up over the years, so I don't begrudge someone getting a second or even a third to do so. But ten? That's obscene. :cobra:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 08, 2010, 04:23:59 PM
There was one dealer that took clear advantage of the "one per household" rule.
They found a loop-hole, and we have a year to correct that loophole, or find another solution.

Unfortunately, that dealer did end up with 10 or 11 convention sets via having family members attend.
There's nothing we could of done at the time as they acquired them by legit means, and did wait in line.

That dealer will not be permitted to set up again at the Canadian Joe Convention.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 04:50:01 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
There was one dealer that took clear advantage of the "one per household" rule.
They found a loop-hole, and we have a year to correct that loophole, or find another solution.

Unfortunately, that dealer did end up with 10 or 11 convention sets via having family members attend.
There's nothing we could of done at the time as they acquired them by legit means, and did wait in line.

That dealer will not be permitted to set up again at the Canadian Joe Convention.

Are you talking about that guy who brought his grandmother into the con?  I thought they only were able to pick up one or two sets, not the 10 they were waiting for.  That really blows.   A solution I was thinking of to the one per household rule, is to extend it to one per family and/or per household.  Now there are some people who are brothers father/son, etc who would be hurt by this, but there could be a special exclusion if you can show you both were active members of the forum but you were still family, you could each buy a set.  It complicates things, but honestly, there couldn't be more than 1 or 2 people who would even be able to utilize this loophole, and you could make it that they had to ask for the exemption on the site before they showed up so you wouldn't have to deal with verifying people in line.

As far as people who attend the show and then immediately sell their personal set.  I don't have a problem with this.  If you want to go to a GI Joe convention either in Canada or the US and cannot afford it, I don't see what is wrong with selling your set in order to pay for your trip.  There is one friend in particular I know who got helped him pay his way in exchange for getting the con set.  I'd rather have these people show up and be able to have the option to do with their con sets as they see fit.  Some Joe fans aren't even toy collectors.  There was three comic book guests and a cartoon guest.  There could easily have been some fans who went to see those guys and picked up the set to help pay the way. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 08, 2010, 05:06:45 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Are you talking about that guy who brought his grandmother into the con?  I thought they only were able to pick up one or two sets, not the 10 they were waiting for.  That really blows.   A solution I was thinking of to the one per household rule, is to extend it to one per family and/or per household.  Now there are some people who are brothers father/son, etc who would be hurt by this, but there could be a special exclusion if you can show you both were active members of the forum but you were still family, you could each buy a set.  It complicates things, but honestly, there couldn't be more than 1 or 2 people who would even be able to utilize this loophole, and you could make it that they had to ask for the exemption on the site before they showed up so you wouldn't have to deal with verifying people in line.

Too much work. ALL the people that that got those sets DID get them with different addresses with photo ID. It just happens that a family owns a large business building with a dollar store in the bottom of it and apartments above. Each apartment IS a valid address - even if it's obvious to me what is going on - they are still within the guidelines, and thus, get a set. (And yes, the people in question did have the same address - with unit #'s on the ID. I google-earthed them and saw the building).
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 05:11:54 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"

Too much work.


As I was typing it up, I was getting the same feeling myself.  I just can't think of anything else that would stop the issue.  Last year it wasn't as much of a problem due to wrist bands still being available after 7 am.  But this year when the dealer's action kept multiple people from being able to get the SNAKE Armor, it's especially douche of him to do it. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Joeczar on August 08, 2010, 05:21:28 PM
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: K.B. on August 08, 2010, 05:23:25 PM
I don't see a problem selling the set (especially if your in need of money like a few on here have been) but what that guy did was pretty damn low. Good to hear he won't be allowed back. Wish something could be done for those that were lined up honestly tho  :'(
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.
I was Number 53 because of this guy... the 2 guys from Montreal that were in front of me were not that happy either...  >:(
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 05:46:54 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
I was Number 53 because of this guy... the 2 guys from Montreal that were in front of me were not that happy either...  >:(

I don't blame them, I would have a hard time being civil about that if I came that far to be screwed by that guy's antics.  Can it be announced who this guy's ebay name is or user name, so we can know to avoid their auctions?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 08, 2010, 05:58:34 PM
Nothing can be gained by revealing who the dealer in question is.
It happened, it sucks, but it's done.

We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: K.B. on August 08, 2010, 06:04:45 PM
That sounds good but at the same time a little like "the honest ones lose out cuz of the greedy fews actions", if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
I'm sure everyone has an idea on how to stop people from scalping the CON sets and Mike has heard them all but I really do think this may be a potentional idea:
Make one of the figures in the CON set a Mail-Away.  A post card to mail in for the missing figure will be in the box or hand it out when they pick it up.  The key to make this is work is for people wait a long time before they get it like 10 to 12 weeks (3 months).  Only true fans will be willing to wait and scalpers would not buy so many sets just to hold waiting for the missing figure before they make it complete.  

I know you are going to say they will sell it and tell them to mail in the request.  Solution: make people fill it out at the line up when they pick up the CON set...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 08, 2010, 06:09:05 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
I'm sure everyone has an idea on how to stop people from scalping the CON sets and Mike has heard them all but I really do think this may be a potentional idea:
Make one of the figures in the CON set a Mail-Away.  A post card to mail in for the missing figure will be in the box or hand it out when they pick it up.  The key to make this is work is for people wait a long time before they get it like 10 to 12 weeks (3 months).  Only true fans will be willing to wait and scalpers would not buy so many sets just to hold waiting for the missing figure before they make it complete.  

I know you are going to say they will sell it and tell them to mail in the request.  Solution: make people fill it out at the line up when they pick up the CON set...


That is sort of what was done with Snowbank - you had a chance at a limited amount of them before had during a specified window of time before the con.  A sort of limiterd pre-order.  I was very fortuante to get one, but people will always complain.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 06:18:02 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Nothing can be gained by revealing who the dealer in question is.
It happened, it sucks, but it's done.

We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.

I dunno I like the big con sets.  I wouldn't want you guys to go backwards on the set sizes.  But don't like to see people unable to get con sets though if they show up though.  Then again, if you get 500 sets at $50 and they don't all sell out, isn't that going to hurt making money to cover the figures? 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Nothing can be gained by revealing who the dealer in question is.
It happened, it sucks, but it's done.

We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.

I dunno I like the big con sets.  I wouldn't want you guys to go backwards on the set sizes.  But don't like to see people unable to get con sets though if they show up though.  Then again, if you get 500 sets at $50 and they don't all sell out, isn't that going to hurt making money to cover the figures? 

There is aways people that would want more then one set so i'm sure they would all sell out
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 06:29:13 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"


There is aways people that would want more then one set so i'm sure they would all sell out

This is true, if he had a two pack of the Ice Guard and Hailstorm Pilot I probably would have army built 5 of em at least.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 07:51:40 PM
I think a smaller set with larger runs would solve everything Mike, as cool as it is to get something rare like the 1 of 100 set, I see way too much anger and angst as well as headache from everyone to make the exclusives worth while to run (I know Im going to get a ton of hate for this).  I was  high 30s in line and the people behind me were showing a lot of hate that made me shake my head, yes they should and have every right to be mad but honestly making such a limited set as cool as it is, was bringing out the worst in the community and I saw it in person. Personally Id rather see everyone get something small as a souvenir of the con rather then people are eying the set as something worth a lot of money.  I mean if I brought my niece and nephew next year I would absolutely love if they could each get a cool single figure exclusive with a run of 500-1000 or more (would be easier to produce as well), and an exclusive Joecanuck comic, where the majority of people got it.  No one would be fighting, no one would be lining up extra early and worrying all night (and wouldn't wander the con as a zombie from lack of sleep), we could just come to the con and enjoy, and you don't have to worry so much that people will be fighting because the figure wont be worth 500+ dollars but still be much enjoyed and collected by the actual GI Joe and Canadian Joe fans.  Please dont hate me for saying that  :shifty: I know everyone still wants a cool 100 limited set, I would too but I would be just as happy with a small set with a large run.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 08:02:09 PM
I know people might think having a smaller set is a step back but I think making it more available is a step forward for what it is, I mean look at the all the hate that went around in SDCC for the slaughters...  You want the kids and attendees to get something cool to remember the con with.  With the influx of younger kids it started me thinking of when I have kids and my niece and nephew how much joy they would get getting an exclusive figure to play with.  Collectors should be happy too because they can get a cool looking figure to add to the Joecanuck lore.  And possibly even higher standards to the figure.  If for instance the SNAKE armor set was offered to 1000 sets (I dont know the economics) I think the majority of collectors and fans and kids would be happy.  Maybe Im too optimistic about that I dunno  :-
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 08:21:04 PM
Quote from: "NeoDragonKnight"
I know people might think having a smaller set is a step back but I think making it more available is a step forward for what it is, I mean look at the all the hate that went around in SDCC for the slaughters...  You want the kids and attendees to get something cool to remember the con with.  With the influx of younger kids it started me thinking of when I have kids and my niece and nephew how much joy they would get getting an exclusive figure to play with.  Collectors should be happy too because they can get a cool looking figure to add to the Joecanuck lore.  And possibly even higher standards to the figure.  If for instance the SNAKE armor set was offered to 1000 sets (I dont know the economics) I think the majority of collectors and fans and kids would be happy.  Maybe Im too optimistic about that I dunno  :-


Making them a higher run wouldn't make me like these figures any less.  If 1000 of those SNAKE armor's were made yesterday the only difference is I would have more of them :)  I much prefer a larger set, but if less figures higher produced makes for less con angst, then I'm all for it.  But don't knock the early morning lineups, I have a blast at those :)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 08, 2010, 08:24:33 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
I know you are going to say they will sell it and tell them to mail in the request.  Solution: make people fill it out at the line up when they pick up the CON set...

Well, I can honestly say I haven't heard that one.

But I can also honestly say "No way in hell".

All this would do is double-pad the wallets of the guys that scalped the con sets.
They, and their friends/relatives, etc would get the figure in 2 months via mail, and then promptly sell it on ebay - WITHOUT the con set.

Scalpers are morons, they're about the money, and thus - don't care if the set is always complete. They'll simply pick up the set, sell it, and when the figure is mailed to them, sell that to someone else.

Anything that acts as a solution HAS to be done at the con and that's it. Period.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 08:36:52 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Quote from: "NeoDragonKnight"
I know people might think having a smaller set is a step back but I think making it more available is a step forward for what it is, I mean look at the all the hate that went around in SDCC for the slaughters...  You want the kids and attendees to get something cool to remember the con with.  With the influx of younger kids it started me thinking of when I have kids and my niece and nephew how much joy they would get getting an exclusive figure to play with.  Collectors should be happy too because they can get a cool looking figure to add to the Joecanuck lore.  And possibly even higher standards to the figure.  If for instance the SNAKE armor set was offered to 1000 sets (I dont know the economics) I think the majority of collectors and fans and kids would be happy.  Maybe Im too optimistic about that I dunno  :-


Making them a higher run wouldn't make me like these figures any less.  If 1000 of those SNAKE armor's were made yesterday the only difference is I would have more of them :)  I much prefer a larger set, but if less figures higher produced makes for less con angst, then I'm all for it.  But don't knock the early morning lineups, I have a blast at those :)

Dont get me wrong I loved lining up and chatting with everyone there were so many people I had a blast with lining up with, one guy right behind me for instance was a real nice guy (and if you are reading this I know you dont post but you should!) but its when people start arguing over line spots that things can potentially get ugly.  Im not saying it will always be this way but the potential is there.  But take away the highly limited run, and reduce the secondary market worth of the exclusive and I think that would solve a lot of problems, thats just my opinion though.  That wont stop me for loving the large limited 100 sets though lol.  The thing to ask also is that will attendance go down with a smaller set?  Will less revenue come in?  Is the con about the set or about being entertained for a day out?  I dont know the answers to these, but its something to think about for the organizers.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: "NeoDragonKnight"
Dont get me wrong I loved lining up and chatting with everyone there were so many people I had a blast with lining up with, one guy right behind me for instance was a real nice guy (and if you are reading this I know you dont post but you should!) but its when people start arguing over line spots that things can potentially get ugly.   The thing to ask also is that will attendance go down with a smaller set?  Will less revenue come in?  Is the con about the set or about being entertained for a day out?  I dont know the answers to these, but its something to think about for the organizers.

Well I'm going to fix that next year if there's a line again.  I'm going to go down the line every half an hour and take line photos (it was something I should have done this year, but I didn't think it was going to be an issue).  Anyone has a problem with someone cutting has proof then.  I was pissed at myself Saturday morning when Mike asked who was where in line and I couldn't remember past the stop sign, I should have been paying closer attention to it since I went down that line once every hour anyway. 

There is indeed a potential of less people coming from out of town if the con set is smaller.  If it's just one or two figures at a higher run, some people might not see the advantage of driving so far to it and order it off ebay.   I know that if you only attend a con set for the figures you're missing the picture, but I'll be honest: the size and awesomeness of that 2009 set was what got me interested enough to come 12 hours to check it out.  Once you check out the con atmosphere you'll soon learn that the con itself is much more important to see than just getting the set.  But sometimes you need to have the eye candy advertised at door to get people to come in and see the full performance so to speak.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 08, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
Does the SNAKE fit in the empty cutout in the top right corner of the con set?  Was there going to be a SNAKE in every set and that's why that extra hole is there?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 08:54:09 PM
Oh I just want to add that I was skeptical about how good this years con set looked from the images, but when I opened it up for the first time I was blown away.  Very nice set.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Well I'm going to fix that next year if there's a line again.  I'm going to go down the line every half an hour and take line photos (it was something I should have done this year, but I didn't think it was going to be an issue).  Anyone has a problem with someone cutting has proof then.  I was pissed at myself Saturday morning when Mike asked who was where in line and I couldn't remember past the stop sign, I should have been paying closer attention to it since I went down that line once every hour anyway. 

There is indeed a potential of less people coming from out of town if the con set is smaller.  If it's just one or two figures at a higher run, some people might not see the advantage of driving so far to it and order it off ebay.   I know that if you only attend a con set for the figures you're missing the picture, but I'll be honest: the size and awesomeness of that 2009 set was what got me interested enough to come 12 hours to check it out.  Once you check out the con atmosphere you'll soon learn that the con itself is much more important to see than just getting the set.  But sometimes you need to have the eye candy advertised at door to get people to come in and see the full performance so to speak.

Ya I feel it would attract less people as well, its a fine balancing act, I don't envy the Organizers on working on this, but have confidence Mike and the rest will make the right choices. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 08, 2010, 09:05:21 PM
I traveled to Hamilton from Minneapolis last year and made it a road trip vacation.  The HATE set was a factor but I6m a big Joecon fan and knew any convention with GI Joe would be fun.  I also wanted to see that area of Ontario including Niagara Falls and also see a Blue Jays game and stop in Chicago coming and going.  

I didn't go this year because my car is unreliable and lack of funds.  It was killing me not going this year.  I had it all planned earlier in the year.  I was going to stay up there all week and on the way home stop in Michigan for the Nascar race next weekend.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: morgardee on August 08, 2010, 09:23:24 PM
I helped make the set. I didn't know about the dealer that got 10 sets. That really exploits the system.

Still, it happens.

As for selling your set on Ebay, meh, it's up to you. I know it happens. I just hate the fact someone got 10 sets.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: smarchitelli on August 08, 2010, 09:45:45 PM
Hey NeoDragonKnight, it was me who was behind you in line at the Joe Con. It was really great meeting you and your friend and talking joe as it made the 4 hours plus wait pass much quicker than I expected.

Overall the convention was fantastic! My friend and I have been attending since 2008 and we had a blast! By far it was the best one with a great location, interesting guest speakers and fantastic deals to be had all around.

Now, in regards to the Snake Set. It is a great idea in concept, but poorly executed. In reality, there were only 42-40 sets available, not 50 (the 8-10 sets went to staff/dealers I assume, which is fine). But when that information was revealed, it caused GREAT anxiety amongst many in line (I think I was #39-40 in line and was just lucky enough to get one). In addition, the accusations of people cutting in line almost caused a riot, and just added stress to the overall situation.

An ideal solution would have been to have had two separate wristbands – one for the con set and a separate one for the Snake set for first 42-40 in line. When both are given out and allocated, then people would have the opportunity to disperse and take a well needed break and not have to be “forced” to wait in line until 9am.

Steve
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: "smarchitelli"
Hey NeoDragonKnight, it was me who was behind you in line at the Joe Con. It was really great meeting you and your friend and talking joe as it made the 4 hours plus wait pass much quicker than I expected.

Overall the convention was fantastic! My friend and I have been attending since 2008 and we had a blast! By far it was the best one with a great location, interesting guest speakers and fantastic deals to be had all around.

Now, in regards to the Snake Set. It is a great idea in concept, but poorly executed. In reality, there were only 42-40 sets available, not 50 (the 8-10 sets went to staff/dealers I assume, which is fine). But when that information was revealed, it caused GREAT anxiety amongst many in line (I think I was #39-40 in line and was just lucky enough to get one). In addition, the accusations of people cutting in line almost caused a riot, and just added stress to the overall situation.

An ideal solution would have been to have had two separate wristbands – one for the con set and a separate one for the Snake set for first 42-40 in line. When both are given out and allocated, then people would have the opportunity to disperse and take a well needed break and not have to be “forced” to wait in line until 9am.

Steve


Cool great to see you posting!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 08, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Well I'm going to fix that next year if there's a line again.  I'm going to go down the line every half an hour and take line photos (it was something I should have done this year, but I didn't think it was going to be an issue).  Anyone has a problem with someone cutting has proof then.  I was pissed at myself Saturday morning when Mike asked who was where in line and I couldn't remember past the stop sign, I should have been paying closer attention to it since I went down that line once every hour anyway. 

There is indeed a potential of less people coming from out of town if the con set is smaller.  If it's just one or two figures at a higher run, some people might not see the advantage of driving so far to it and order it off ebay.   I know that if you only attend a con set for the figures you're missing the picture, but I'll be honest: the size and awesomeness of that 2009 set was what got me interested enough to come 12 hours to check it out.  Once you check out the con atmosphere you'll soon learn that the con itself is much more important to see than just getting the set.  But sometimes you need to have the eye candy advertised at door to get people to come in and see the full performance so to speak.
I am sure that there is a good chance that less people will make the big drive for a smaller, less exclusive set.  

For me personally, a nice 2 pack set at $45-50 is exactly what I personally would like.  But if one of the figs was an army builder.........
well, you know.  It would help make the sets more wanted.

The Snake Byte figure, as said before, made the set after reading the comic.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 08, 2010, 10:07:16 PM
Quote from: "spiderpumpkin"
Does the SNAKE fit in the empty cutout in the top right corner of the con set?  Was there going to be a SNAKE in every set and that's why that extra hole is there?

The SNAKE was supposed to have a run of 100. It didn't happen. Since we knew the SNAKE would only be a run of 50, that other section was reserved for the missiles and the accessories.

Quote from: "smarchitelli"
An ideal solution would have been to have had two separate wristbands – one for the con set and a separate one for the Snake set for first 42-40 in line. When both are given out and allocated, then people would have the opportunity to disperse and take a well needed break and not have to be “forced” to wait in line until 9am.

But you're missing the point of the SNAKE being an Early Attendee Exclusive then. It's for the first 50 (43) people in the door. NOT in the line. As it was, if you were there for a con set, and you got the wristband, then you could leave - if you didn't want a SNAKE. If you wanted the SNAKE, then you had to stick around.

It was something new we tried this year, and while it was well received by most, it's something that we may not do again.

Each year we're going to try new things. Some of it will work, some of it won't. We're still "young" at this - and while there are some things that I know we do phenomenial at, there is always room for improvement - which is why we had a survey on the registration sheet this year.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 08, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Quote from: "spiderpumpkin"
Does the SNAKE fit in the empty cutout in the top right corner of the con set?  Was there going to be a SNAKE in every set and that's why that extra hole is there?

The SNAKE was supposed to have a run of 100. It didn't happen. Since we knew the SNAKE would only be a run of 50, that other section was reserved for the missiles and the accessories.

Quote from: "smarchitelli"
An ideal solution would have been to have had two separate wristbands – one for the con set and a separate one for the Snake set for first 42-40 in line. When both are given out and allocated, then people would have the opportunity to disperse and take a well needed break and not have to be “forced” to wait in line until 9am.

But you're missing the point of the SNAKE being an Early Attendee Exclusive then. It's for the first 50 (43) people in the door. NOT in the line. As it was, if you were there for a con set, and you got the wristband, then you could leave - if you didn't want a SNAKE. If you wanted the SNAKE, then you had to stick around.

It was something new we tried this year, and while it was well received by most, it's something that we may not do again.

Each year we're going to try new things. Some of it will work, some of it won't. We're still "young" at this - and while there are some things that I know we do phenomenial at, there is always room for improvement - which is why we had a survey on the registration sheet this year.



Ya I think it was the 50 set that was the issue this year, I think anyone who wanted a 100 set pretty much got there early and got it.  THere were some left right after opening correct?  Same with last year if I recall.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roger dodger on August 08, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.

Mike -- This sounds like a good plan, but lots more work for you guys. You all did a great job and it's too bad someone else's actions have cast a shadow over part of the con. This was my first con and I'm glad I waited in line to get the set. I made some great new friends and some memories that will last a lifetime.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 08, 2010, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"

But you're missing the point of the SNAKE being an Early Attendee Exclusive then. It's for the first 50 (43) people in the door. NOT in the line. As it was, if you were there for a con set, and you got the wristband, then you could leave - if you didn't want a SNAKE. If you wanted the SNAKE, then you had to stick around.

It was something new we tried this year, and while it was well received by most, it's something that we may not do again.


That was the only complaint I had with the whole con experience.  Getting an extra couple of hours nap between 7 and 9 would have helped a ton to keep a lot of us up and going the whole day.  But at the same time, nobody forced us to wake up that early, so it's our own dang faults :D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 10:37:28 PM
No matter what Mike or the rest of the crew does to make things fair there will always be people that are not happy.  I just missed out on the SNAKE but I did not know about it until an hour before I went to the CON on Friday to preregister.  So it is not the end of the world from me. All I wanted was the CON set which I got (YEAH!)  ;D  So not matter what happens small set or big set, The Core fans will buy it.  
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 08, 2010, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
No matter what Mike or the rest of the crew does to make things fair there will always be people that are not happy.  I just missed out on the SNAKE but I did not know about it until an hour before I went to the CON on Friday to preregister.  So it is not the end of the world from me. All I wanted was the CON set which I got (YEAH!)  ;D  So not matter what happens small set or big set, The Core fans will buy it.  
I did BBM you.  I should have warned you about the regret.........
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Jon S. on August 08, 2010, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Nothing can be gained by revealing who the dealer in question is.
It happened, it sucks, but it's done.

We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.

Kudos to this.

I like the idea of having an accessible set that everyone who attends the event can have a chance of getting. Plus if there are leftovers you can sell them online at regular price and kill the aftermarket. (or at least the immediate aftermarket) Make the speculators "speculate."
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 08, 2010, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: "pdaat"
Quote from: "bandonov"
No matter what Mike or the rest of the crew does to make things fair there will always be people that are not happy.  I just missed out on the SNAKE but I did not know about it until an hour before I went to the CON on Friday to preregister.  So it is not the end of the world from me. All I wanted was the CON set which I got (YEAH!)  ;D  So not matter what happens small set or big set, The Core fans will buy it.  
I did BBM you.  I should have warned you about the regret.........

I would have been there in time but my ride slept-in... :(  but I got the RoC SNAKE for $10 so I will make my own.  It will not be the same but is fine with me!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 08, 2010, 11:13:59 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.
I was Number 53 because of this guy... the 2 guys from Montreal that were in front of me were not that happy either...  >:(

That is a very sad story.. you deserve a SNAKE man, you're one of the pillar of this community!  >:(
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Metro on August 08, 2010, 11:29:44 PM
Quote from: "pdaat"

For me personally, a nice 2 pack set at $45-50 is exactly what I personally would like.  But if one of the figs was an army builder.........
well, you know.  It would help make the sets more wanted.

The Snake Byte figure, as said before, made the set after reading the comic.

I thought I'd quote pdaat here since he really hit the nail on the head in terms of how I feel about it.  For me, I'd love a smaller set thats more accessible to everyone that would like one.  Again tho, thats what I'd like to see; I'm far more into figures than I am vehicles.  Like was mentioned above the leftovers could always be sold off, auctioned, etc.  giving those who couldn't make it up the chance to get one.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: darth cujo on August 09, 2010, 12:17:01 AM
The only way to solve the problem of scalpers and exclusives is to make more. Period. I get why these are made in such small quantities, but the mere fact that they exist in such small quantities is counter to the whole anti-scalper sentiment. I personally think you should make enough for everyone to have a reasonable shot at getting them, or don't make them at all. I realize i'm in the minority, but I'm pretty hard core anti-exlcusive. And I don't mean any disrespect to Mike or any of the others that put so much work into these things. It's gotta be tough to balance everything. But bottom line for me is I'd go with a smaller set if it means a higher production run. It would be great to have something available in numbers that kids could even get some sets.

Unfortunately, I was unable to attend this year due to work and family obligations. I'm gonna try and make more of an effort next year, though. Hopefully if there's an exclusive, I'll have a shot at it.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: formbx257 on August 09, 2010, 12:24:03 AM
I think Mike's suggestion is right: fewer items in the con set with a larger run.  It's simple, stress-free and even if there are leftovers (which I doubt will happen), the organizers of the con themselves can sell them here (as an online exclusive).
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 01:14:04 AM
Quote from: "darth cujo"
The only way to solve the problem of scalpers and exclusives is to make more. Period. I get why these are made in such small quantities, but the mere fact that they exist in such small quantities is counter to the whole anti-scalper sentiment.

The way the line is run though is pretty anti scalper as it is.  One guy figured out a loophole this year.  But at the same time I saw at least two people who brought their significant others with who were trying to get a set without an ID and were stammering about trying to act like they had no ID. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: xhairs on August 09, 2010, 01:31:12 AM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Nothing can be gained by revealing who the dealer in question is.
It happened, it sucks, but it's done.

We're already planning for next years items. How would you guys feel about a two-figure set, with a run of 500 sets?

It would be cheaper (Around $40-$50.00), but would solve these pricks from hoarding con sets as we would still enforce a "one per person" rule. Even if they did get 10, that's a very small percentage overall.

this^^^^ could work or make the box set to 150 or 200 that could work to. you guys do a bang up job it sucks a few have to mess it up for the rest.  you guys are "young" at this and i know you will get it down pat. like i know it will grow to be a 2 day thing soon as so many ppl like how you guys run it and love to chill wit the staff for a longer time .

i love it that i saw kids who enjoyed being there unlike at the us con! as some of the kids there where like can we go yet look. with ebay i have done and its your set once you buy it. i know some ppl do sell it to pay to go. but what i can stand is the scalpers who go just to buy as many as they can to sell it.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Sundance on August 09, 2010, 04:05:03 AM
what about PMing people on the boards a verification code that they have to produce at the line?

oh, i suppose you'd nix that as thwarting non-members from getting a set..?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Kobura on August 09, 2010, 09:05:09 AM
Quote from: "bandonov"
I would have been there in time but my ride slept-in... :(  but I got the RoC SNAKE for $10 so I will make my own.  It will not be the same but is fine with me!

Hey now whoa... my alarm didn't go off... and I woke up 30 mins later. :P
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 09, 2010, 09:21:14 AM
Quote from: "Kobura"
Quote from: "bandonov"
I would have been there in time but my ride slept-in... :(  but I got the RoC SNAKE for $10 so I will make my own.  It will not be the same but is fine with me!

Hey now whoa... my alarm didn't go off... and I woke up 30 mins later. :P

The man speaks!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 09, 2010, 09:39:59 AM
Quote from: "Kobura"
Quote from: "bandonov"
I would have been there in time but my ride slept-in... :(  but I got the RoC SNAKE for $10 so I will make my own.  It will not be the same but is fine with me!
Hey now whoa... my alarm didn't go off... and I woke up 30 mins later. :P

Now that you finally joined the forum, I have to watch what I type about you  :-X  I only was pushing you to do this for at least 10 months... I want the set so you were forgiven  :mrt: 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Kobura on August 09, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "Kobura"
Quote from: "bandonov"
I would have been there in time but my ride slept-in... :(  but I got the RoC SNAKE for $10 so I will make my own.  It will not be the same but is fine with me!
Hey now whoa... my alarm didn't go off... and I woke up 30 mins later. :P

Now that you finally joined the forum, I have to watch what I type about you  :-X  I only was pushing you to do this for at least 10 months... I want the set so you were forgiven  :mrt: 

Yes yes... I finally joined. I'm a busy man!

You got your set, I got us coffee... win/win!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 09, 2010, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: "Kobura"
Yes yes... I finally joined. I'm a busy man!
You got your set, I got us coffee... win/win!

I needed that coffee more....  :lol:  Make sure you post your intro in the forum so everyone will know that you are the one that got me back into GI Joe...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: "Sundance"
what about PMing people on the boards a verification code that they have to produce at the line?

oh, i suppose you'd nix that as thwarting non-members from getting a set..?

An individual verification code would take a lot of work.  Just a board wide code though would not stop scalpers.  There are probably a couple regular members on here who would pick up 10 sets if they could
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: RichieRich on August 09, 2010, 01:50:15 PM
Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.

I was #51 (actually #43 but 8 Snakes went to staff (understandably) so in reality there were 42 available).  The thing that sucks is that I showed up at 5:15 and did a count in front of me and there were 35 people.  When wristbands for the set were given out there were 39 in front of me.  By the time tickets were given out for the Snake I was out of the running as the line in front me me kept growing.  It left a really bad taste in my mouth, I'm not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: turner on August 09, 2010, 02:02:10 PM
Quote from: "RichieRich"


Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.

I was #51 (actually #43 but 8 Snakes went to staff (understandably) so in reality there were 42 available).  The thing that sucks is that I showed up at 5:15 and did a count in front of me and there were 35 people.  When wristbands for the set were given out there were 39 in front of me.  By the time tickets were given out for the Snake I was out of the running as the line in front me me kept growing.  It left a really bad taste in my mouth, I'm not gonna lie.


When I got there at 2 am I was number 21 and when I went in, I was number 21.  Some guys marked their spot with their bag and sat elsewhere until closer to time, then got in their rightful spot.  Some guys went to the bathroom and such, but as far as I saw ahead of me, 1 through 21 was all good.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: RichieRich on August 09, 2010, 02:25:28 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.
I was Number 53 because of this guy... the 2 guys from Montreal that were in front of me were not that happy either...  >:(

I guess you're the big guy behind me in line.  Funny how we know each other by our line numbers and not names... lol.


Actually the guy in front was from Montreal (I'm from good ole T.O.) and did end up getting one because the guy in front of him didn't have the correct ID.  So I truly was the first guy not to qualify for a Snake.

I just wanted to clarify something.  What left a bad taste in my mouth was the dealer who brought his mom, dad, grandma, grandfather, sister-in-law, etc.  Like many of the Joe fans I was in line with we just wanted a set and didn't think to bring family members to pad our pockets.  I got a large con set and overall I am very happy about attending the con.  Got to meet Zartan and the living legend, as well as collect some much needed pieces.

I thought the Snake situation could have been handled better but since it's the first year that this type of giveaway (i.e. stay in line) was attempted it's understandable why it didn't work and I'm sure the guys will come up with a solution next year.

I like the large con sets so I hope they stick around.

I also like the idea of a smaller set.  Not sure if it's been asked before but why not take orders for it?  For example, if 450 people ordered and prepaid for the Snake you guys can order a production run of 500 and everybody wins no?

One more thing, I don't think anyone was disappointed in the con itself.  I loved it and can't wait until next year.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 09, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
Quote from: "RichieRich"
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "Joeczar"
Wow, what kind of a guy would drag his grandma out of bed in the middle of the night and make her stand in line?  Takes all kinds, I guess.  :-  That's too bad more collectors didn't have a chance to get one of those SNAKES, I would have hated to have been #51.
I was Number 53 because of this guy... the 2 guys from Montreal that were in front of me were not that happy either...  >:(
I guess you're the big guy behind me in line.  Funny how we know each other by our line numbers and not names... lol.
Actually the guy in front was from Montreal (I'm from good ole T.O.) and did end up getting one because the guy in front of him didn't have the correct ID.  So I truly was the first guy not to qualify for a Snake.

Yes that was me... It was nice talking to you and your friend
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: MIA COLLECTABLES on August 09, 2010, 02:42:53 PM
Hi everyone  :)

I think I found a way to stop the entire famaly tree to get a set for one person !!!

I say keep the sets limited to 100, that makes collecting more fun, hard to get pieces are more appreciated ! The Blue Snake ... only 50 ...wow...  what a great idea , even if I dindnt have the chance to get one. Now I will have to look for it to buy one or trade for one, that what is collecting is all about. Not just click on a dot and then its yours, no... you have to work for it some times !!!

So what I think would be a great idea would be to add a little 3 easy question on each forms with 3 different forms for a total of 9 different question. Questions that any GI Joe collector knows, Example: What was the biggest set Hasbro ever made for the GI Joe line? answer: USS Flagg ! If a grand mother knows those type of question ... well she deserve her set lol !

I think it would stop people who do not have a clue about GI Joe do line for the money only!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 02:49:15 PM
Quote from: "MIA COLLECTABLES"


So what I think would be a great idea would be to add a little 3 easy question on each forms with 3 different forms for a total of 9 different question. Questions that any GI Joe collector knows, Example: What was the biggest set Hasbro ever made for the GI Joe line? answer: USS Flagg ! If a grand mother knows those type of question ... well she deserve her set lol !


Dude, most of that family wasn't even speaking english or french in line, I don't know if they would have been able to answer the question what was 2+2 in either Canadian tongue. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Editor on August 09, 2010, 03:15:18 PM
Honestly, what it comes down to is that if people truly want to circumvent the system that it will happen.

While I can't say that I'm happy that this happened, I'm personally guilty of supporting a Japanese-based eBay retailer that that pays friends and co-workers to travel with him to special events in order to get limited edition items.

This stuff happens and while Mike and the others can try their best to try and block this stuff it will happen.

The only process I can think of to attempt full control of this issue would be this.
1) Figure out the total set pieces.
2) Open submission thru the website for those interested.
3) Sort submissions and disqualify any you feel are an issue.
4) Send confirmations to those accepted.
5) Confirmed members pay in advance, payments must be by Credit Card or paypal with confirmed addresses. Failure to confirm and/or duplications of CC/accounts disqualify all sets connected.
6) Sets then can be picked up at con, or sent to the confirmed address after con (the convention reserves the right to charge a s/h fee)

Any addition sets at the end can be sold at con.

Yes the sets should be a reward for attending, and under this it would be more a reward for being members in good standing of the community, It would also be a lot more work, but it would allow a much higher level of control.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: K.B. on August 09, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
Quote
But at the same time I saw at least two people who brought their significant others with who were trying to get a set without an ID and were stammering about trying to act like they had no ID.

 But some people actually DON'T have I.D. for example, me.

While I wasn't getting a con set (and had no plans to) I brought my passport (my only form of I.D.) with me. At first Mike was kinda weary of letting me in (even after complimenting my hair in the photo  ;D) because my passport didn't have my address on it. I did mention that I wasn't interested in getting a set (not sure if he heard me or not) but he did a super nice guy thing and let me in anyways but for a minute or two I honestly thought I wasn't getting in.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 09, 2010, 03:33:25 PM
Quote from: "K.B."
Quote
But at the same time I saw at least two people who brought their significant others with who were trying to get a set without an ID and were stammering about trying to act like they had no ID.

 But some people actually DON'T have I.D. for example, me.

While I wasn't getting a con set (and had no plans to) I brought my passport (my only form of I.D.) with me. At first Mike was kinda weary of letting me in (even after complimenting my hair in the photo  ;D) because my passport didn't have my address on it. I did mention that I wasn't interested in getting a set (not sure if he heard me or not) but he did a super nice guy thing and let me in anyways but for a minute or two I honestly thought I wasn't getting in.

When you said you didn't want one - that was when I let you in.
Here's the thing, you don't need ID to enter the Convention. It was just to TRY and ensure that these sets found their way into the most people possible.

Passports, while I know they're accepted at the boarder - aren't accepted anymore at the Convention.
YOU have to manually fill out your address - thus, you can enter anything you want.

Right now, I don't care about this. We'll address it next year and figure something out. What's done is done, and there's nothing anyone can do about it now..
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Pimpdaddysatan on August 09, 2010, 03:42:15 PM
I know I'm guilty of wanting a set of these highly awesome Canadian Exclusives, and have had to pay a small fortune to get them.  All things being equal, it would probably cost about the same to travel up to the con, and stay over the weekend, but things back here at home are a little more complicated than that.  I hope things will be different next year, it would be cool to meet everyone and be apart of the gang.  That said, I think a smaller set with a bigger production number would still be cool. I honestly think that would be the best way.  Maybe a production run of 250.   One small vehicle and 2 figures.   Something of that nature.   If there was ever a way I could pitch in and help with the creative process and making figs, I certainly would(i'm serious).   Anyways, sounds like it was an awesome time, and just like last year awesome set.  
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: dodge822 on August 09, 2010, 06:00:04 PM
i found 4 on ebay right now, their my be more, but the numbers are #60,71, 15, 16, one guy started his auction at 699.99 usd another is buy it now of $600, another is at $280, $311, ($112.50, just found this 5th auction but no set number. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Jon S. on August 09, 2010, 06:25:54 PM
Quote from: "MIA COLLECTABLES"
Hi everyone  :)

I think I found a way to stop the entire famaly tree to get a set for one person !!!

I say keep the sets limited to 100, that makes collecting more fun, hard to get pieces are more appreciated ! The Blue Snake ... only 50 ...wow...  what a great idea , even if I dindnt have the chance to get one. Now I will have to look for it to buy one or trade for one, that what is collecting is all about. Not just click on a dot and then its yours, no... you have to work for it some times !!!

So what I think would be a great idea would be to add a little 3 easy question on each forms with 3 different forms for a total of 9 different question. Questions that any GI Joe collector knows, Example: What was the biggest set Hasbro ever made for the GI Joe line? answer: USS Flagg ! If a grand mother knows those type of question ... well she deserve her set lol !

I think it would stop people who do not have a clue about GI Joe do line for the money only!

I couldn't disagree more. I had four kids with me who are just getting into the hobby. (they got started when the Rise of Cobra movie came out) How cool would it have been for each of them to have their own special convention souvenir? Especially since two of them were in town from California for a visit!

Collector-elitism is an ugly thing.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: master_stanley on August 09, 2010, 06:55:01 PM
Here's my take on it. The smaller sets and much larger numbers would be better. That lowers the price for the attendees and then that will insure that many more people get one. Plus kids should be able to afford one not just collectors and scalpers. Also having a more affordable set would help the dealer room most of us did poorly because people said they where broke from the set and the later batch that came in said the atm broke so many of us had to sell things below cost to move stuff. Anyone who went to my tables knows my stuff was cheap to start with so by the end of the day I was losing money on many items I sold. I had a great time but from a business stand point after attendees have paid $125.00 for the con set, another $25.00 for the snake and then $15.00 to get in and travel costs, it does not leave much for the dealer room.  I myself spent for myself over $100.00 in the dealer room. I myself did not buy a con set but understand why some dealers did and now sell them for profit. I myself can't be bothered with doing that and have not bought a set yet. I want one but $125.00 is a lot. I would have bought the snake but was not willing to stand in line to hope to get one. So remember the joecon is fun and the exclusives are awesome but support the dealer room as well it helps pay for the over all show and quests. The con set & entrance fee will not cover the cost of the the show, the dealer room helps alot. I will be there again next year but won't bring as much stuff. Over I loved it as a collector and it was great. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 09, 2010, 06:58:29 PM
Great work again Mike (and crew).

As others have said, there will always be people trying to circumvent the system no matter what.  Much like technology, all you can do is keep trying to come up with ways to hinder the trouble makers.

As for the line, I do have a suggestion.  I know you guys bust your humps for this event and I don't want you thinking I am criticizing/bashing.  

That said I really think you need to put someone on the line right away.  I know, I know, you guys have a ton to do, but it seems clear that someone assoicated with the con should be monitoring the line from the beginning.  Whether that is Midnight, or 1am.  They can hand out numbers/wristbands and take information on the people in line.  They can answer questions and make sure everyone in line understands what is required and expected.  They can enforce the "be in line" policy and stop people from cutting.  Then near the opening hour, double check everyone's number and placement in line.  Honestly, from my previous experience with managing events the single most effective solution to line ups is an informed/authorized representative who can problem solve.  Leaving a line to it's own devices for too long usually leads to trouble.  Of course nothing is bulletproof and there is usually some unforseen problem that arises.

Personally I love the sets that include a vehicle.  I'm not keen on figure only sets.  I would be fine with a single figure/vehicle set if it drops the price and you can get more sets made.  However there is no number big enough to keep scalpers away that is reasonable.  It becomes a question of how much work you want to put into the set versus the "value" (intrinsic or otherwise).
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: master_stanley on August 09, 2010, 07:18:09 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
Great work again Mike (and crew).

As others have said, there will always be people trying to circumvent the system no matter what.  Much like technology, all you can do is keep trying to come up with ways to hinder the trouble makers.

As for the line, I do have a suggestion.  I know you guys bust your humps for this event and I don't want you thinking I am criticizing/bashing.  

That said I really think you need to put someone on the line right away.  I know, I know, you guys have a ton to do, but it seems clear that someone assoicated with the con should be monitoring the line from the beginning.  Whether that is Midnight, or 1am.  They can hand out numbers/wristbands and take information on the people in line.  They can answer questions and make sure everyone in line understands what is required and expected.  They can enforce the "be in line" policy and stop people from cutting.  Then near the opening hour, double check everyone's number and placement in line.  Honestly, from my previous experience with managing events the single most effective solution to line ups is an informed/authorized representative who can problem solve.  Leaving a line to it's own devices for too long usually leads to trouble.  Of course nothing is bulletproof and there is usually some unforseen problem that arises.

Personally I love the sets that include a vehicle.  I'm not keen on figure only sets.  I would be fine with a single figure/vehicle set if it drops the price and you can get more sets made.  However there is no number big enough to keep scalpers away that is reasonable.  It becomes a question of how much work you want to put into the set versus the "value" (intrinsic or otherwise).


No Joe Con staff should have to watch the line early like 1 am because people don't listen .
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 07:38:49 PM
Quote from: "master_stanley"


No Joe Con staff should have to watch the line early like 1 am because people don't listen .

Which is why I'm volunteering to take pictures of the line for next year if there's a need for the early bird.  They have enough on their plates to worry about. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 09, 2010, 07:39:13 PM
I think people are mistaking the issue with the 100 set and 50 set.  If the line was just for the 100 set, there would have been no problem.  But because the SNAKE was only limited to 50, people started getting pissy about the line.  Everyone who lined up early pretty much got the 100 set both this year and last if I am not mistaken, and there were even a few sets to spare once the doors actually opened.  The abolishment of the 50 set would probably be the way to go.  The fundamental question about the actual con exclusive is that should it be more accessible to everyone who attends or just the hardcore who line up early?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: "master_stanley"
Also having a more affordable set would help the dealer room most of us did poorly because people said they where broke from the set and the later batch that came in said the atm broke so many of us had to sell things below cost to move stuff.

That was my only problem with the hotel's services.  You know you're having a convention where a crap ton of sales are going down, and you don't keep your atm stocked?  That ATM ran out of money a little after noon.  If someone really wanted to get money there was a bank across the street (which I did, since I'm a degenerate who can't control his joe spending), but it was inconvenient enough that some people probably just stopped for the day.  So I feel your pain a little bit as a dealer. 
It'd be really nice if next year we could get an ATM right next to the show room fully stocked, so the temptation to spend more is just too great....just as long as my wife isn't with to stop me :D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 09, 2010, 07:59:15 PM
that does suck, if Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 has taught us anything you need ATMs to keep your customers spending
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: xhairs on August 09, 2010, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Quote from: "master_stanley"
Also having a more affordable set would help the dealer room most of us did poorly because people said they where broke from the set and the later batch that came in said the atm broke so many of us had to sell things below cost to move stuff.

That was my only problem with the hotel's services.  You know you're having a convention where a crap ton of sales are going down, and you don't keep your atm stocked?  That ATM ran out of money a little after noon.  If someone really wanted to get money there was a bank across the street (which I did, since I'm a degenerate who can't control his joe spending), but it was inconvenient enough that some people probably just stopped for the day.  So I feel your pain a little bit as a dealer.  
It'd be really nice if next year we could get an ATM right next to the show room fully stocked, so the temptation to spend more is just too great....just as long as my wife isn't with to stop me :D

yes the atm thing did hurt alot of the dealers i did hear ppl say well i dont have cash and get get any out so i had to pass on this or that. now thats not the staffs fault that was the hotels. and like neo said the 100 was fine no probs we got our bands and we left to do what ever as norm since last yr. the 50 thing is what got under ppls skin but that was cuse of one fam.not a bunch of ppl not related cutting or anything like that. or what i saw in my spot.

i was in line and i stepped out so someone else could have one and i was in the under 40 line. i left to go to the bathroom and had a bud who kept my spot safe. so not sure if that had ppl confused too as this one lady did 2 head counts 1 before bands and a 2nd one when ppl got them.

 you cant expect ppl lined up for x amount of hrs not to take a bathroom break so thats why you had ppl hold your spot. that fam took a few spots that wasnt theres.  the 100 line up did fine so they dont need to change that at all. it worked great this yr the 50 line up didnt so you live you learn and you fix it thats all anyone can do.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 09, 2010, 08:15:11 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Quote from: "master_stanley"
No Joe Con staff should have to watch the line early like 1 am because people don't listen .
Which is why I'm volunteering to take pictures of the line for next year if there's a need for the early bird.  They have enough on their plates to worry about. 

I think a volunteer would be a great idea.  And to put my money where my mouth is, I would also volunteer to do this next year.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 09, 2010, 08:42:33 PM
Quote from: "master_stanley"
Quote from: "canprime"
Great work again Mike (and crew).

As others have said, there will always be people trying to circumvent the system no matter what.  Much like technology, all you can do is keep trying to come up with ways to hinder the trouble makers.

As for the line, I do have a suggestion.  I know you guys bust your humps for this event and I don't want you thinking I am criticizing/bashing.  

That said I really think you need to put someone on the line right away.  I know, I know, you guys have a ton to do, but it seems clear that someone assoicated with the con should be monitoring the line from the beginning.  Whether that is Midnight, or 1am.  They can hand out numbers/wristbands and take information on the people in line.  They can answer questions and make sure everyone in line understands what is required and expected.  They can enforce the "be in line" policy and stop people from cutting.  Then near the opening hour, double check everyone's number and placement in line.  Honestly, from my previous experience with managing events the single most effective solution to line ups is an informed/authorized representative who can problem solve.  Leaving a line to it's own devices for too long usually leads to trouble.  Of course nothing is bulletproof and there is usually some unforseen problem that arises.

Personally I love the sets that include a vehicle.  I'm not keen on figure only sets.  I would be fine with a single figure/vehicle set if it drops the price and you can get more sets made.  However there is no number big enough to keep scalpers away that is reasonable.  It becomes a question of how much work you want to put into the set versus the "value" (intrinsic or otherwise).


No Joe Con staff should have to watch the line early like 1 am because people don't listen .

Bull.

This is their big event of the year.  It sucks, but someone with authority should be watching/available.  It is one time a year and should be expected.  Sorry but a "volunteer" (not one of the 7-8 regulars) won't work unless they have the authority to make decisions and crowd control.  Roshan is a nice guy, but if someone confronted him, or he claimed something that someone else claimed the opposite what happens?  He doesn't have authority to speak for Mike. 

It hurts the site and the convention when something happens that people in line "perceive" as unjust or poorly organized.

I run my own business and, again, I am not trying to put down Mike and the rest of the guys.  They did a great job this year again.  Let me repeat that so it is clear.  Mike and the crew did another great job this year.  I know that unfortunately when it comes down to the final 24-48 hours you sometimes sacrifice yourself.  I have no doubt Mike and the rest of the guys did exactly that.  I can't know all the stuff they had to do before opening at 9am. I worked straight from Saturday 10pm to Monday 12pm during the G20.  I sure didn't want to, but it had to be done to get the service done right.

If the set issues this year need to be corrected I trust Mike to do what is best with his experience.  My suggestion was just that, a suggestion, but again to have a line up unsupervised and then just go with the "line up at your own risk" leaves things open to problems like this year.

Sorry for sounding negative, but I have had too much experience dealing with people in lines for events and it sometimes clouds my view.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 09, 2010, 08:48:34 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
This is their big event of the year.  It sucks, but someone with authority should be watching/available.  It is one time a year and should be expected.  Sorry but a "volunteer" (not one of the 7-8 regulars) won't work unless they have the authority to make decisions and crowd control.  Roshan is a nice guy, but if someone confronted him, or he claimed something that someone else claimed the opposite what happens?  He doesn't have authority to speak for Mike. 


There's no real authority needed.  If someone takes a picture of the line every half an hour, no one can cry line cutter.  There is photo evidence every step of the way.  If somebody in line has a problem, they can check the photos and see whether or not someone cut.  There really does not need to be one of the con staff standing in line.  Those guys are beat down tired from a full day of work already and another full day yet to come. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 09, 2010, 09:17:17 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
Quote from: "canprime"
This is their big event of the year.  It sucks, but someone with authority should be watching/available.  It is one time a year and should be expected.  Sorry but a "volunteer" (not one of the 7-8 regulars) won't work unless they have the authority to make decisions and crowd control.  Roshan is a nice guy, but if someone confronted him, or he claimed something that someone else claimed the opposite what happens?  He doesn't have authority to speak for Mike. 


There's no real authority needed.  If someone takes a picture of the line every half an hour, no one can cry line cutter.  There is photo evidence every step of the way.  If somebody in line has a problem, they can check the photos and see whether or not someone cut.  There really does not need to be one of the con staff standing in line.  Those guys are beat down tired from a full day of work already and another full day yet to come. 

Hey Roshan,

It was just a suggestion, and for a single, smaller event like the convention it isn't a big deal.  Most of us are fans and familiar with each other.

However if something does happen like this year, it only takes one "confrontational" person to really cause a problem.  You don't represent the organization and as such can't speak for them.  If they confront you and ask you did you pay attention all night?  You only took photos once every 1/2 hour?  Was everyone in line in the same spot when you took photos?  I know i left my bag in one spot and hung with you guys most of the time.  To someone farther back in line it might look like I was cutting.  See where I'm going with this?  I spent years dealing with those kinds of people at bigger events.  Good intentions are great on your part but nothing beats an authorized contact.

Again my suggestion was someone taking names, information and giving out numbers in order while providing reminders about what is required/expected to help.  Others suggested increasing the number of sets, alternative registration, or other ideas.

They are all good and most are probably better than mine.  I just went with something to deal iwth the line rather than the number of sets, scalpers, etc.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Editor on August 09, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
2 quick bits from someone who has been involved with running conventions for 10+ years.

Lines and authority:
If the line is just one that starts by someone parking themselves down, and others "line up" behind them, then there is nothing that should be expected, and the only rules are those of common-sense. I'm sorry to say but it that case then the convention is under zero obligation to be concerned about what happens, or how long some have been there.

However, If the line is an official one, then it needs to be staffed by someone in a position of authority, who needs to be there the entire time. It is their responsibility to police said line to ensure no cuts/spot holding (not including someone needing a bathroom brake) are made.

While I know that this convention is only a handful of guys, but it is not an excuse. this week-end coming up I am running a convention that "starts" about 9am Friday to 5pm Sunday. I plan to be on site about 10am Thursday to who knows when Monday morning. While I am not "on duty" that entire time, and I have almost 400 staffers working, I am active almost the entire time making sure that the convention is giving the best experience possible within my capacity. If I have 3 hours of sleep each night I'll be surprised.

ATM:
I have seen more empty ATM's during conventions then I can remember. Sadly no matter how much preparation an event provides to a facility, unless that facility has previously hosted an event of that type, they are never prepared.

One convention I have worked with in Seattle used the same hotel complex (a half-mile from SeaTac International) for 6 years in a row. Despite the convention warning the local businesses, the first year within 12 hours of the official opening of the convention (the day before the busiest day of the con) the ATM's of all three hotels were empty, the 7-11 between two of the hotels was ravaged of it's ATM, snack foods, soft/energy/alcoholic drinks and such, and three restaurants were under-prepared for the onslaught of customers at all hours.

With the exception of a Denny's (who bothered to take notice bringing in extra staff and materials) the same situation repeated for 2 more years before they clued in.

The best case you can do, is figure out what your maximum spending limit is, and bring that plus 25-50% more "Just in case" so you aren't dependent on those machines.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 09, 2010, 09:54:53 PM
I'm still reading post, but I will write something before I loose my idea... 100 sets is the perfect number IMO. Last year, even if the H.A.T.E. tank was awesome, there was still a set available at 9:00 am. This year, even if the con was held in TO (a larger city) sets were available until 8h30 or so. Increasing the number will only create leftover and the need for Mike to manage them (like the Master Club who still manage older stock). So don't get confused between the set (limited to 100) and the SNAKE limited to 50.

As for the set itself, Mike had great ideas in the past, and I'm sure will have great ideas in the future. When I read people would prefer a 2-fig set, what I read is MOTH from de MC... I saw those selling for $20 (and even less) at the con... I'm not sure that is what we want. The sets like what we did the 2 last year were perfect. Nice box, nice story, great vehicle/fig. Mike can't filled all needs at once. So with many years in front of us, I can see many great set coming.

I think the main question is: Why those exclusive sets are made? If the answer is "to give fans the joy of collecting"... then scalpers will always be there. If the main problem become some scalpers, then the only way to eliminate them is to eliminate the sets. But I think we will be missing the target.

No matter what control you can put in place there will always be loophole. But, at the end, it means other GI Joe fans will get their sets without the need of attempding. Like myself for the US con set. I never went to an US con, but I got the 2002 Crimson set, the 2003 Lady Jaye and Falcon, the 2007 female troopers, the 2008 Bats, Low-Light and Shockblast, 2010 Gaucho, Red Shadow troopers and Flamethrowers. Did I pay more than original cost. Yes. That is life. But I avoided the plane ticket, hotel room, entry ticket, etc. after all, I saved money... to spend more at the Canadian con.

When someone is in the line, has ID with pic, pay his set, no one can tell him not to sell it. We don't know all the story behind each people.

I had a great time, spent a lot with dealer, made trades, got my set and hoping that next year I will have as much fun that I had this year.

Martin
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 09, 2010, 11:06:38 PM
Over on ebay another SNAKE has appeared.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Pete The Greek on August 09, 2010, 11:08:16 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
That said I really think you need to put someone on the line right away.  I know, I know, you guys have a ton to do, but it seems clear that someone assoicated with the con should be monitoring the line from the beginning.  Whether that is Midnight, or 1am.  They can hand out numbers/wristbands and take information on the people in line.

Midnight/1 AM is hindsight.  Nobody expected people to line up that early.  

And as a volunteer, your shitting me if you expect me to play line cop duty at that time and expect to stand up for the rest of the day and then go to the Taste of the Danforth.  
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Radio Guy on August 09, 2010, 11:55:06 PM
Quote from: "spiderpumpkin"
Over on ebay another SNAKE has appeared.

saw the listing...if he wants to sell it fine, but can the jagoff at least get all the details right?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 09, 2010, 11:56:19 PM
Quoted from an ebay auction on right now:

"This is auction is for one 2010 CANADIAN GI JOE CONVENTION COBRA NORTH S.N.A.K.E. ARMOR SUIT. THIS PIECE WAS LIMITED TO ONLY 50 PIECES FOR THE ENTIRE WORLD. (...)"

[font=Verdana:209xd8z2]Yeah he's making it sound like Canada is the only country in the world...I'm flattered[/font:209xd8z2] :lol: .[/font:209xd8z2][/color]

"Truly a wonderful piece. Don't miss out! Any questions please call me directly at 416-303-0180."

[font=Verdana:209xd8z2]...[/font:209xd8z2]

[font=Verdana:209xd8z2]I don't mind the fact that he's selling his if that's the case. It's just the listing description that I find rather a bit overdone. But I think this is how a good seller is supposed to sound when he tries to convince you. But he makes one good point: this Snake is a gem, I'll drink to that anytime[/font:209xd8z2]
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Editor on August 10, 2010, 01:44:15 AM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
Midnight/1 AM is hindsight.  Nobody expected people to line up that early.  

And as a volunteer, your shitting me if you expect me to play line cop duty at that time and expect to stand up for the rest of the day and then go to the Taste of the Danforth.  
 

Was the line officially set? Then while it wasn't expected, the ability was there to tell people that the line was unofficial and would not be honored when an official one was set up at the announced time.

The last convention I worked at (a creation Star Trek one in Vancouver) people after lining up for photos with Leonard Nimoy, came out and either entered the official line set for another picture (with Leonard and Bill Shatner) or as some did, created an unofficial one for the single pictures with just Bill. They were told that an official line would not be started immediately and that while they could line up where a line started, that it was not an official line and that there spot might not be the same when we "transferred" that line to the proper spot once that space was free.

I understand that as a volunteer that you shouldn't "Have" to be out there, but as a volunteer at my convention, I don't "have" to attend meetings, do extra work, stay up until 4 in the morning working on things that have imploded and need quick fixes. Nobody volunteering for fan-based convention "Have" to do anything, but some of us just do it, because it is what is required. A couple years ago I did one stint where I was on site working at 9am on a Friday, and had to be dragged off to get sleep about 4pm Saturday, I did have to keep working, but my obligation was to keep stuff operating, so I did.

I'm not having a go at your expense Pete, and sorry if it sounds that way. The point I am trying to make is that as the con grows, and attendee numbers increase, that the convention needs to expect and plan to handle things of that nature, including looking at increasing staff to ensure there are people on hand to take charge.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: turner on August 10, 2010, 03:49:10 AM
I'm new to all this, but I was a little surprised and nervous about the unsupervised line.  No one wants to wait 7 hours on the sidewalk and someone cut in line, but having said that, I was surprised at how smooth it all went, a credit to the people there.  However, I think I would be more comfortable with some supervision on the line.  As for the comment about not having to wait in line and then be up all day, what do you think the rest of us did?  I had 1 hour and 45 minutes of sleep.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 10, 2010, 04:21:56 AM
There sure are a lot of sets on ebay.  It seems like people that didn't get the SNAKE are selling sets.  Maybe they feel the set is incomplete without the SNAKE?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Radio Guy on August 10, 2010, 08:03:55 AM
Quote from: "spiderpumpkin"
There sure are a lot of sets on ebay.  It seems like people that didn't get the SNAKE are selling sets.  Maybe they feel the set is incomplete without the SNAKE?

nope. just a**hole opportunists.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Bandalero on August 10, 2010, 08:27:09 AM
wow, finally read through all 6 pages.  I thought I was in the early 50s in the line-up but someone mentioned they were #53 with two guys from montreal ahead of him, so I guess I was even further back.  But I do recall Scramble coming so very close to Raptor, NFC, and I with those coveted SNAKE bands so I had to be no more than 60th in line.

The blonde chick with the broken leg actually had a great idea. She suggested that the wrist bands be numbered - yes it wouldn't have prevented the family of 10 from conning the con set, but it would have added some order to the line. 

When I arrived folks were on the street when there was a perfectly fine side-walk to stand on and I think Sheraton Management had to ask that we line-up on the side-walk.  And I'll admit I was a bit concerned with the line and the incident with the SNAKE band distribution that got Mike out to investigate who cut into the line.

Plus, and I'll be honest - I'm sure the guy was harmless, but the Beatle Baily dude in army fatigues eating his shreaded wheat not lining up but staring at us in the line had me a bit uneasy.  Thankfully there was the comical antics of NFC and Raptor to pass the time.

Pete the Greek I commend you on having enough stamina to leave the convention and attend the Taste on the Danforth!  WOOPAHH!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 10, 2010, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: "Bandalero"
wow, finally read through all 6 pages.  I thought I was in the early 50s in the line-up but someone mentioned they were #53 with two guys from montreal ahead of him, so I guess I was even further back.  But I do recall Scramble coming so very close to Raptor, NFC, and I with those coveted SNAKE bands so I had to be no more than 60th in line.

The blonde chick with the broken leg actually had a great idea. She suggested that the wrist bands be numbered - yes it wouldn't have prevented the family of 10 from conning the con set, but it would have added some order to the line. 

When I arrived folks were on the street when there was a perfectly fine side-walk to stand on and I think Sheraton Management had to ask that we line-up on the side-walk.  And I'll admit I was a bit concerned with the line and the incident with the SNAKE band distribution that got Mike out to investigate who cut into the line.

Plus, and I'll be honest - I'm sure the guy was harmless, but the Beatle Baily dude in army fatigues eating his shreaded wheat not lining up but staring at us in the line had me a bit uneasy.  Thankfully there was the comical antics of NFC and Raptor to pass the time.

Pete the Greek I commend you on having enough stamina to leave the convention and attend the Taste on the Danforth!  WOOPAHH!

I believe people were lining up at the side of the side walk on the street because the sprinklers were on and the sidewalk was all wet, at least it was when I got there at around 4:30.  We were happy to get back onto the side walk when it dried up.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 10, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: "Bandalero"
The blonde chick with the broken leg actually had a great idea [...]

I remember her. She was few people behind us. She wasn't happy at all when the SNAKE tickets were distributed and she wasn't getting one. But, that was Scramble fault  :wink: After validating the number of tickets distributed, Scramble give some more (and I think she got one).


Quote from: "Bandalero"
When I arrived folks were on the street when there was a perfectly fine side-walk to stand on and I think Sheraton Management had to ask that we line-up on the side-walk.  And I'll admit I was a bit concerned with the line and the incident with the SNAKE band distribution that got Mike out to investigate who cut into the line.

I didn't see people cutting the line. There were few guys behind us that left the line to go to bed when they got their wristbands. They came back in line (where they were previously) to meet their friends. But, they didn't want the SNKAE and they didn't get their ticket for it. So I didn't see a problem with that and they were really cool guys.

Martin
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 10, 2010, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: "martin-montreal"
I remember her. She was few people behind us. She wasn't happy at all when the SNAKE tickets were distributed and she wasn't getting one. But, that was Scramble fault  :wink: After validating the number of tickets distributed, Scramble give some more (and I think she got one).

Mind I correct? It wasn't Scrambles' fault. It was his mistake. You probably meant to tease Scramble but I just wanted to clarify this for people who didn't see what happened.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roshan on August 10, 2010, 02:32:49 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
Quote from: "martin-montreal"
I remember her. She was few people behind us. She wasn't happy at all when the SNAKE tickets were distributed and she wasn't getting one. But, that was Scramble fault  :wink: After validating the number of tickets distributed, Scramble give some more (and I think she got one).

Mind I correct? It wasn't Scrambles' fault. It was his mistake. You probably meant to tease Scramble but I just wanted to clarify this for people who didn't see what happened.

And he corrected that mistake almost immediately, so it really wasn't a big issue at all
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 10, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
I was number "50" when the mistake was made, I was like woooooh Im lucky and I felt bad for the folks behind me b/c we counted 30 or so infront of us and knew something was wrong.  Then it was set straight and it was all good.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 10, 2010, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: "master_stanley"
[...] the later batch that came in said the atm broke so many of us had to sell things below cost to move stuff.  

I don't get this comment. That was clear from Mike :

Quote from: "THE Mike™"
CURRENCY
There is a bank machine on the premises, and banks surrounding the area so you will have an opportunity to get more funds should you need them throughout the weekend.

We suggest you plan ahead and come fully loaded! What you don't spend, you can always put back in the bank upon returning home.

And making a withdraw from a private ATM always costs higher in fees (about $3,50) than taking money from your own Bank atm. No excuses for that... I had the money I was planning to spend, when my wallet was empty it was the end for me.

Martin
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: master_stanley on August 10, 2010, 06:07:05 PM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
Quote from: "canprime"
That said I really think you need to put someone on the line right away.  I know, I know, you guys have a ton to do, but it seems clear that someone assoicated with the con should be monitoring the line from the beginning.  Whether that is Midnight, or 1am.  They can hand out numbers/wristbands and take information on the people in line.

Midnight/1 AM is hindsight.  Nobody expected people to line up that early.  

And as a volunteer, your shitting me if you expect me to play line cop duty at that time and expect to stand up for the rest of the day and then go to the Taste of the Danforth.  
 

That's right, why should you, Mike or any other staff or volunteer be out playing line cop when if I remember correctly no one was to line up at those times but wait until the next morning. Also I could wrong but I don't think Mike or his people get paid or make money off this event personaly. So they should not have to go to extreme lengths to please you guys. People should be thankful with what they receive already from Joecanuck staff and volunteers. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Pete The Greek on August 10, 2010, 11:24:46 PM
Quote from: "Bandalero"
Pete the Greek I commend you on having enough stamina to leave the convention and attend the Taste on the Danforth!  WOOPAHH!

I considered it punishment from my wife.  She sprung this on me when I was going back home from the convention.  My legs were dead.  They were even worse when I had to walk blocks away from the Danforth to find parking and then go through the sea of people on the Danforth.  I found it over-rated. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Pete The Greek on August 10, 2010, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: "Editor"
Was the line officially set? Then while it wasn't expected, the ability was there to tell people that the line was unofficial and would not be honored when an official one was set up at the announced time.

No, it was not officially set.  Details of it were mentioned before the convention.

http://www.joecanuck.com/joe/board/http ... 760#p41760 (http://www.joecanuck.com/joe/board/http://joecanuck.com/board1//viewtopic.php?p=41760#p41760)

Here are the key ones:

Quote
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
CONVENTION BOX SET EXCLUSIVES
As per the Hotel’s request, there will be NO overnight “camping” for the exclusives.
The earliest they would like people to line up is 6am. If the Sheraton staff asks you to leave prior to that time, we ask that you please respect their wishes and do so.

Quote
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Quote from: "pdaat"
Hey Mike - how about not putting up the "Line Starts Here" sign until about 05:55 that morning.  I think that would keep people away until close to 6am and relieve a lot of anxiety of Con Goers.

And what about those that show up 20 minutes earlier and line up in the wrong spot? How do I handle the anger that they'll have for waiting already - even though I've asked that they don't until 6am?

No. It stays the same as I have plenty more to oversee than the line-up.

Last time I check, I don't think Best Buy or Future Shop has workers outside when a certain group of Mac lovers camp out over night for the latest Imaxipad or something.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 11, 2010, 08:18:34 AM
Sorry to go off topic here but I wanted to post a question about this thread.  I have only been on this forum for about a short time and wanted to know if this was the biggest thread of this forum with so may posts?  If not which one is and can this one beat it?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 11, 2010, 08:19:51 AM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Sorry to go off topic here but I wanted to post a question about this thread.  I have only been on this forum for about a short time and wanted to know if this was the biggest thread of this forum with so may posts?  If not which one is and can this one beat it?

Nevermind I saw the Quebec sightings thread... 20 pages long...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 11, 2010, 08:25:29 AM
A guy from the Philippines contacted me via Facebook.  I got him a comic (which he has declined) and has offered $200.  I'll hold out for $500 (still not selling)...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 11, 2010, 06:21:23 PM
Sure are a lot of sets on eBay.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 15, 2010, 04:44:57 PM
Add a SNAKE and the 2010 CanJoeCon sets go for over $800.  Wow.  The other day 2 sets without the SNAKE went for just over $300.  Is the SNAKE worth $500?

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-CANADIAN-G-I-J ... ltDomain_2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-CANADIAN-G-I-JOE-CONVENTION-SET-/280545665514?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Canadian-G-I-J ... ltDomain_0 (http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Canadian-G-I-Joe-Convention-Set-MIB-/200505925830?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0)

http://cgi.ebay.com/GI-JOE-2010-CANADIA ... ltDomain_2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/GI-JOE-2010-CANADIAN-CONVENTION-SET-PLUS-EXTRAS-/280546159321?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 15, 2010, 05:11:44 PM
:o 800$!! cool.. a profit of 650$.. not bad at all!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: joss789 on August 15, 2010, 05:52:14 PM
Quote from: "spiderpumpkin"
Add a SNAKE and the 2010 CanJoeCon sets go for over $800.  Wow.  The other day 2 sets without the SNAKE went for just over $300.  Is the SNAKE worth $500?

I don't think the SNAKE worth 500$.  It's probably because the guy is giving a 25th Sanke Eyes.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 15, 2010, 05:58:46 PM
Quote from: "joss789"
I don't think the SNAKE worth 500$.  It's probably because the guy is giving a 25th Sanke Eyes.

Haha, yeah sure!  ;D Sanke Eyes is a rare, hard to find, scarce and very limited figure..  :shifty:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roger dodger on August 15, 2010, 10:41:26 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
:o 800$!! cool.. a profit of 650$.. not bad at all!

$800???? Wow. I wish I had known that. I would have dragged my whole family, including grandma, to the con and bought a bunch of sets. Oh wait, someone else already did that.  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Stealth Viper on August 16, 2010, 08:33:38 AM
That set went to $800 because of a single bidder, who has a reputation for throwing cost to the wind once their mind is set on getting something.

I would not expect to see this kind of price again.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 16, 2010, 10:27:49 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
That set went to $800 because of a single bidder, who has a reputation for throwing cost to the wind once their mind is set on getting something.

I would not expect to see this kind of price again.

And now we have a SNAKE that sold for $612 alone!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160466677486&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160466677486&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: dodge822 on August 16, 2010, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
That set went to $800 because of a single bidder, who has a reputation for throwing cost to the wind once their mind is set on getting something.

I would not expect to see this kind of price again.

And now we have a SNAKE that sold for $612 alone!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160466677486&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160466677486&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

its tempting, but i would rather keep my snake.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 16, 2010, 10:33:48 PM
:o Oh God, I just can't believe it.. Mike and his gang have created a monster..
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 16, 2010, 10:50:41 PM
speaking of the snake, does anyone elses have cracks on the legs?  Mine has weird V shaped cracks on the inner legs on both.  Was this a result of poor molding?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: joss789 on August 16, 2010, 10:55:02 PM
I expected a few more SNAKE available on Ebay in the next few days...with a reserve price.
My wife just saw the auction and said "600$ for the blue thing, sell it right now"
Maybe i'm crazy but even at this price, i will keep mine.  For me, going to the convention, pass all night in line with new friends and grab the exclusive set, i can say it was a awesome day and keeping my "North SNAKE" will just remember me all this moments ;D.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 16, 2010, 10:57:56 PM
To sell it is not even an option for me..
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 16, 2010, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: "joss789"
keeping my "North SNAKE" will just remember me all this moments ;D.

Blond woman: "We need another Snake!"

Morg: "SNAKE!!!!!"  ::)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: spiderpumpkin on August 16, 2010, 11:24:22 PM
$635+ shipped is about 3 times or more what I thought it would sell for.  I believe the guy that just sold that one is the dealer with family in line.  He also shows one open and says that is not the sealed one for sale.  So he could end up making about $6000 just on SNAKE sets.

I'm not a mold maker.  But for $600 a good customizer could start making SNAKES.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 16, 2010, 11:30:32 PM
SNAKE!!!!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 16, 2010, 11:45:59 PM
[move:14g9apu2]S.N.A.K.E.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/move:14g9apu2]
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 17, 2010, 12:03:09 AM
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Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 17, 2010, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: "joss789"
I don't think the SNAKE worth 500$. 

In fact, you are right... it's not worth $500, but $611.99!!!  :o

That price for the SNAKE alone, the buyer should have attend the con, he could also get free  :timbits:

Martin
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Joeczar on August 17, 2010, 12:48:27 AM
It went from 351 to 611 in the last five seconds!  Yikes! :o
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 17, 2010, 02:09:24 AM
A fluke guys. It will not go that high again.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Bandalero on August 17, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
$611!!! egads now I'm really kicking myself for being number 50something in the line...  Next year I'm camping overnight - yeah right.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: morgardee on August 17, 2010, 08:32:39 AM
SNAKE!  :wink:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 17, 2010, 09:28:39 AM
Quote from: "Bandalero"
$611!!! egads now I'm really kicking myself for being number 50something in the line...  Next year I'm camping overnight - yeah right.
The best thing about the line wasn't necessarily to SNAKE, but the opportunity to actualy hang around with like minded people and shoot the turd.  No rush to go anywhere, just hang.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: turner on August 17, 2010, 09:33:07 AM
Yeah, it was a little rough, I ended up with a sore throat the next day which I still have.  It was cold for shorts and a thin T-shirt.  7 hours.  But looking back, it was one of my favorite parts!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pluv on August 17, 2010, 09:44:30 AM
$611 and worth every penny. That was a cool exclusive I missed out on. I know there are a lot of people wishing they had that item.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 17, 2010, 09:53:21 AM
Quote from: "turner"
Yeah, it was a little rough, I ended up with a sore throat the next day which I still have.  It was cold for shorts and a thin T-shirt.  7 hours.  But looking back, it was one of my favorite parts!
I wussed out and changed into my jeans - I'm old enough now to forgo youthful pride in favour of not suffering later because of it.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 17, 2010, 10:05:03 AM
Quote from: "pdaat"
Quote from: "turner"
Yeah, it was a little rough, I ended up with a sore throat the next day which I still have.  It was cold for shorts and a thin T-shirt.  7 hours.  But looking back, it was one of my favorite parts!
I wussed out and changed into my jeans - I'm old enough now to forgo youthful pride in favour of not suffering later because of it.
Same here, and I wore 2 t-shirts as well.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: roger dodger on August 17, 2010, 11:08:36 AM
Quote from: "turner"
Yeah, it was a little rough, I ended up with a sore throat the next day which I still have.  It was cold for shorts and a thin T-shirt.  7 hours.  But looking back, it was one of my favorite parts!

You weren't in sunny Florida anymore, Dorothy.  8) But seriously, I really enjoyed the line and making so many new friends like you Turner. It set the tone for a really nice convention experience. I really hope I can make it back next year.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: turner on August 17, 2010, 12:18:13 PM
Quote from: "roger dodger"
Quote from: "turner"
Yeah, it was a little rough, I ended up with a sore throat the next day which I still have.  It was cold for shorts and a thin T-shirt.  7 hours.  But looking back, it was one of my favorite parts!

You weren't in sunny Florida anymore, Dorothy.  8) But seriously, I really enjoyed the line and making so many new friends like you Turner. It set the tone for a really nice convention experience. I really hope I can make it back next year.

Back atcha, bro!  And yeah, I eventually put on jeans too.  Had a really good time. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: dodge822 on August 17, 2010, 04:12:58 PM
Quote from: "pdaat"
Quote from: "Bandalero"
$611!!! egads now I'm really kicking myself for being number 50something in the line...  Next year I'm camping overnight - yeah right.
The best thing about the line wasn't necessarily to SNAKE, but the opportunity to actualy hang around with like minded people and shoot the turd.  No rush to go anywhere, just hang.



i wish i had of gotten into that game of monopoly  :- , oh well next year
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: xhairs on August 17, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
611 is nuts and wow i should of stayed in line lol.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 17, 2010, 08:46:06 PM
Quick question for all the lucky ones with SNAKES?!  Are you keeping the SNAKE in the 2010 CON set or keeping it separate?  The reason I ask is that I'm going to put a RoC Black SNAKE in the spot were the Blue SNAKE was and going to call it my COBRA NORTH STEALTH SNAKE!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on August 17, 2010, 08:51:41 PM
I put mine inside the box to keep it together, it sits in the bag on top of the Jet.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 17, 2010, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quick question for all the lucky ones with SNAKES?!  Are you keeping the SNAKE in the 2010 CON set or keeping it separate?  The reason I ask is that I'm going to put a RoC Black SNAKE in the spot were the Blue SNAKE was and going to call it my COBRA NORTH STEALTH SNAKE!

The hole is not wide enough to put my snake so that it can face towards you....Therefore I didn't put it.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 17, 2010, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
The hole is not wide enough to put my snake so that it can face towards you....Therefore I didn't put it.

If you remove the bottom foam block, the Snake will fit.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: joss789 on August 17, 2010, 09:46:04 PM
I will keep my SNAKE with my con set.  I'm working to make space in my display for the 2009 and 2010 con set.  
Right now, i'm putting decals on the Hailstorm and tomorrow, i will work on my SNAKE.
I should receive my 2009 Can con set next week then, i will display them next week-end
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 17, 2010, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
The hole is not wide enough to put my snake so that it can face towards you....Therefore I didn't put it.

If you remove the bottom foam block, the Snake will fit.

I tried but the Snake will only fit sideways...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 17, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 17, 2010, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:

SNAAAAAKE!!!! NO!!!!!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on August 18, 2010, 07:31:26 AM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:

NO SNAKE FOR YOU!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on August 18, 2010, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:... at least give it to me!!  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 18, 2010, 12:22:19 PM
So we have 2 more SNAKES on EBAY.

Quite the difference in price so far!   :lol:

$0.06 so far, but it is of course very early.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110575054728&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110575054728&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

$600 to start???  Our little dealer got a bit of luck and now wants the same???  YEESH!!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481476092&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481476092&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on August 18, 2010, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
So we have 2 more SNAKES on EBAY.

Quite the difference in price so far!   :lol:

$0.06 so far, but it is of course very early.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110575054728&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110575054728&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

$600 to start???  Our little dealer got a bit of luck and now wants the same???  YEESH!!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481476092&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150481476092&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Maybe the first "buyer" didn't follow though on their bid...??
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 18, 2010, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: "martin-montreal"
Quote from: "5h4rK"
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:... at least give it to me!!  ;D

Martin, I thought you would be more concerned with the fact that the Snake was beeing put in a trash can and not in the recycling bin.... :lol:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Stealth Viper on August 18, 2010, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"

Maybe the first "buyer" didn't follow though on their bid...??

The first buyer did indeed follow through.

So this dealer has a second snake. Clearly he had a number of "friends" in line at the con.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on August 18, 2010, 12:58:14 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
Quote from: "THE Mike™"

Maybe the first "buyer" didn't follow though on their bid...??

The first buyer did indeed follow through.

So this dealer has a second snake. Clearly he had a number of "friends" in line at the con.
I would guess either the "Family Guy" or the group in the front of the line (the "Ballsackers").
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on August 18, 2010, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
The first buyer did indeed follow through.

I'm curious, how do you know this?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Stealth Viper on August 18, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"

I'm curious, how do you know this?

It was ME! Buahahahahahaha!

No, seriously. I am 99% sure of who the buyer is based on the initials and feedback number. If I am correct (and I think I am) he would never bid on something he didn't intend to buy, even at a high price.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: morgardee on August 18, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
Anyone notice the shipping charge he wants for his second SNAKE? Dude wants $60.00 just for shipping.

Now that upsets me. It's one thing to list it one ebay and let the free market set the price. It's another thing to over inflate the shipping.

If I knew who the dude was, then next year I wouldn't be happily yelling SNAKE and handing him one. That's not to say next year there is going to be a SNAKE, but who knows what 2011 will hold for the Can Joe Con. The only thing you pretty much bet on is there will be Timbits.  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Sundance on August 18, 2010, 04:18:30 PM
i'd yell 'SNAKE' and kick him in the trouser-SNAKE!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 18, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: "Sundance"
i'd yell 'SNAKE' and kick him in the trouser-SNAKE!

Then I would be right behind you yelling:

"Down goes Fraser!  Down goes Fraser!"
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on August 18, 2010, 07:15:36 PM
The SNAKE that was at $0.06 a few hours ago has already jumped to $305 with 4+ days left.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Radio Guy on August 19, 2010, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: "canprime"
The SNAKE that was at $0.06 a few hours ago has already jumped to $305 with 4+ days left.

i can't beleive the other ones' starting bid...good luck with that...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on August 20, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
Quote from: "martin-montreal"
Quote from: "5h4rK"
My SNAKE is presently in the trash can.. if you're interested, the trash truck is going to be here by tomorrow morning!  :lol:... at least give it to me!!  ;D

Martin, I thought you would be more concerned with the fact that the Snake was beeing put in a trash can and not in the recycling bin.... :lol:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: formbx257 on September 04, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
Geez... another SNAKE on ebay?  How many does that make now, 4?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... %26otn%3D2 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=160477088674&Category=155325&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on September 04, 2010, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: "formbx257"
Geez... another SNAKE on ebay?  How many does that make now, 4?
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... %26otn%3D2 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=160477088674&Category=155325&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2)

he misspelled Canadian....
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on September 04, 2010, 09:53:45 PM
Also zero feedback, yuck.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on September 04, 2010, 10:15:21 PM
He corrected the spelling! I guess he is reading our posts!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on September 04, 2010, 11:25:12 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
He corrected the spelling! I guess he is reading our posts!

He's a member on various Joe boards including FishTank..
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on September 04, 2010, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
[He's a member on various Joe boards including FishTank..

Why do you call HissTank, FishTank?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on September 04, 2010, 11:48:37 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Why do you call HissTank, FishTank?

I wasn't talking 'bout HissTank..  :shifty:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: morgardee on September 05, 2010, 08:20:35 AM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "5h4rK"
[He's a member on various Joe boards including FishTank..

Why do you call HissTank, FishTank?

HissTank is not generally liked by most other G.I.Joe boards. They delete links to Joe Canuck if possible and want to always be the first when a story breaks. It's nothing against the members of that board, it's the guy who runs it. He doesn't play well with others and want to be the only game in town.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Sundance on September 05, 2010, 10:08:56 AM
they're blunter at BFTB, Hiss Tank is frequently called 'Piss Spank'. they didn't endear themselves to BFTB over the revelation of the SWF figures and the mystery figure's identity and their response.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on September 05, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Thanks for the info, and now I know and knowing is...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: olyeller01 on September 05, 2010, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: "morgardee"
HissTank is not generally liked by most other G.I.Joe boards. They delete links to Joe Canuck if possible and want to always be the first when a story breaks. It's nothing against the members of that board, it's the guy who runs it. He doesn't play well with others and want to be the only game in town.

This isn't the first time I've heard negative things about that board.  If anything, they're just freaking jealous that members of THEIR board don't throw an awesome convention with incredible exclusives.

I bet they don't have an awesome reviewer, either  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on September 05, 2010, 11:52:23 PM
Quote from: "olyeller01"
Quote from: "morgardee"
HissTank is not generally liked by most other G.I.Joe boards. They delete links to Joe Canuck if possible and want to always be the first when a story breaks. It's nothing against the members of that board, it's the guy who runs it. He doesn't play well with others and want to be the only game in town.

This isn't the first time I've heard negative things about that board.  If anything, they're just freaking jealous that members of THEIR board don't throw an awesome convention with incredible exclusives.

I bet they don't have an awesome reviewer, either  ;D :lol:

It's not the first time for me either that I hear bad feedback about their site, and it's not just from us here. Still, one can only try to focus on the positive side to everything.

Seriously man, a lot of times I am rather thankful that guys like you chose this site to post your awesome reviews and also make them part of our newsletter.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on September 06, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Thanks for the info, and now I know and knowing is...

... half the battle!  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on September 06, 2010, 07:36:22 AM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
Quote from: "bandonov"
Thanks for the info, and now I know and knowing is...

... half the battle!  ;D
thanks for finishing my sentence  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on September 06, 2010, 10:42:40 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
thanks for finishing my sentence  ;D

No problemo mr. bandonov!  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on February 14, 2011, 08:16:42 AM
Set #56 (2010) on eBay right now..
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360338138449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e5d3a551 (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360338138449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e5d3a551)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on February 14, 2011, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
Set #56 (2010) on eBay right now..
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360338138449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e5d3a551 (http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360338138449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e5d3a551)

Damn, he put everything in that auction!  A complete set of trading cards and a SDCC Sgt Slaughter!  I wonder what that will end at?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Realboss on February 14, 2011, 11:00:07 AM
Ya he keeps re-posting that one.  Some reason no ones bought it.  Maybe because there are only a couple people willing to pay that amount and they all ready bought them last year.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: canprime on February 14, 2011, 12:52:40 PM
Quote from: "Realboss"
Ya he keeps re-posting that one.  Some reason no ones bought it.  Maybe because there are only a couple people willing to pay that amount and they all ready bought them last year.

It reminds menof that seller in Alberta (I think) who had a complete set of Night Force vehicles on EBay last year.  All were complete and loose except the Night Ray which was still sealed in bag with the box.  The auction ended at around $1,400 and it didn't meet the reserve.  Sure enough later he relisted a few times and never got that high again.  Then he broke them up and I think he sold the APC for around $150 and the same for a lot of the smaller vehicles and maggot.  The Night Ray keeps getting relisted from time to time, but I doubt the seller got even close to the original auctions total.

That's the big problem with collecting, especially Joes, the market is over valued by "retail" collectors and as such they over price/value items and sit on them for years in tue hopes they will someday meet their opinion of what their value should be. 

AFA I think really contributed to this mentality as well.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Realboss on February 14, 2011, 06:51:31 PM
You totally hit the head on the nail Canprime.  There is a false sense when it comes to collectors toys as an investment or for monetary gain.  Don't get me wrong in some cases in the right circumstances, there can be a major payoff.  But very rarely.  It's too bad some collectors don't do their research on the current market or trends and rely on things like the Action Farce Association.  The same goes with anything really just look at the housing market and how ridiculous it can be.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 08:31:03 AM
There is a new set on ebay.  Number 87

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Canadian-GI-Joe-Con-Exclusive-Set-Bonuses-/110665329437?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c42aeb1d (http://http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-Canadian-GI-Joe-Con-Exclusive-Set-Bonuses-/110665329437?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c42aeb1d)

What made me laugh was his opinion of the Blue Snake....

*My Personal Take on the Exclusive Blue SNAKE Armor
So, a big deal was made over this particular item because it was limited to the first 50 people in line. They had video camera footage to confirm who actually belonged in the first 50 and who was trying to cheat their way into the exclusive group - serious business. I was incredibly grateful to have made the cut. Unfortunately, I was cheated by the Joe Con organizers exploited loyal fans and collectors; these "exclusives" were clearly garbage-bin, F-grade, defective molds that some evil genius decided to label as ultra-rare collector's items in order to make an easy buck. A figure of this quality wouldn't even pass QA standards in the dingiest, sweatiest, 3rd-world of 3rd-worlds toy factory. This is something that should never have been sold to anyone. My friend's had a cracked leg plate, and from what he told me, others voiced similar complaints. While mine does not appear to have any obvious faults, it is still not what I consider a nice figure. I do not believe that there exists a perfect version of this in the 50 made; every single one of these is inferior in quality to what we see on toy shelves at Wal-Mart.


This is why I'm counting it as a throw-in, not a bonus. The item is still collectible in nature due to extremely limited quantities and the controversy surrounding it, but it is, to be frank, a lousy figure. Luckily, the "less exclusive" boxed set is quite nice!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: turner on March 25, 2011, 08:54:31 AM
Wow, not the best sales pitch. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: pdaat on March 25, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: "turner"
Wow, not the best sales pitch. 
Might as well have just said "Please buy it even though the SNAKE is crap".
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on March 25, 2011, 10:01:40 AM
Um... No. We didn't have video footage. We just happened to luck out that Radio Guy took a picture 2 minutes before people butt into the line up.

And this is the 3rd complaint I've heard about the SNAKE - but he really should of list it on it's own - if he needs money as much as he says in that description, the Snake would bring him a couple of hundred at least on it's own - regardless what his opinion is on it.


...and just in case you all didn't know... the SNAKE was originally supposed to be in each box set - but we had production issues with it, which is why there was only 50 made.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on March 25, 2011, 10:17:25 AM
eBay seller:..."I do not believe that there exists a perfect version of this in the 50 made."

Well.. I have one!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 10:53:33 AM
I have the super duper ultra rare Black Snake ::), Only 2 million were made.  ;D
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: morgardee on March 25, 2011, 11:34:38 AM
Odd comments indeed. Not really much of a point to it other then to try to bash the CJC.

That along with his timing will not help drive up the value of this auction.

I'm happy with my SNAKE. I liked my chrome one more to be honest, but I still love the blue one for what it represents to me, and that was a good time handing these bad boys out.


Say it one more time with me guys:

[move:3iwjpc1r]SNAKE!!![/move:3iwjpc1r]
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
[move:29liwyl1]SNAKE! SNAKE! SNAKE![/move:29liwyl1]
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 12:25:46 PM
[move:1gb5skjc]SNAKE!!! WE NEED ANOTHER SNAKE!!! SNAKE!!![/move:1gb5skjc]
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 12:32:30 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Um... No. We didn't have video footage. We just happened to luck out that Radio Guy took a picture 2 minutes before people butt into the line up.

And this is the 3rd complaint I've heard about the SNAKE - but he really should of list it on it's own - if he needs money as much as he says in that description, the Snake would bring him a couple of hundred at least on it's own - regardless what his opinion is on it.


...and just in case you all didn't know... the SNAKE was originally supposed to be in each box set - but we had production issues with it, which is why there was only 50 made.

Question to The Mike: Then why is the hole in the foam of the box, not cut out so that we can display the SNAKE in its full splendor (facing us)? The only way I can "slide in" the SNAKE in the slot is if I put him sideways. Or was this the way you intended it to be? Would be cool to know the mystery behind it, if any.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 01:08:20 PM
LJ you have to remove the Foam that is in the hole first.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
LJ you have to remove the Foam that is in the hole first.

I did, but I still can't fit the SNAKE in the hole so that his front faces us. I would need to remove the arms or one arm to accomplish this.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: 5h4rK on March 25, 2011, 01:12:17 PM
...you have to remove the box lid before too!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 01:16:46 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
...you have to remove the box lid before too!

 :lol: really, oh ok I'll try that I guess.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on March 25, 2011, 01:36:51 PM
Because the foam wasn't cut to fit the SNAKE.

The foam was cut to fit the figures and the accessories. We knew before the foam planning stage that we didn't have enough SNAKE's for the sets - so there was no need to cut it to make it fit.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Realboss on March 25, 2011, 02:04:45 PM
How does this guy know HIS Snake was poor quality if never even opened the package?  Maybe he'll sell it to me for $20 on the side if it's that crappy.
I would love to own one and if he's just giving it away.......
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: Sundance on March 25, 2011, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
[move ] SNAKE! SNAKE! SNAKE!
your code's broke.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 05:29:45 PM
Quote from: "Sundance"
Quote from: "bandonov"
[move ] SNAKE! SNAKE! SNAKE!
your code's broke.

Not Broken.... Just Slow... hehehe!

Thanks for the heads up... I gave it some food and it is fast now. 
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: grunt 4 mvp on March 25, 2011, 05:36:38 PM
Wow. Way to take a potential $500 add-on and reduce it to a "throw in".
Plus, I love it. Looks great as a part of Cobra North.

Eager to see what he makes on the set.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: BHMike on March 25, 2011, 08:24:11 PM
You know, I was thinking about this today.... if he's not happy with the SNAKE, I'll give him twice his money back right now.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
You know, I was thinking about this today.... if he's not happy with the SNAKE, I'll give him twice his money back right now.


You and everyone else that read what he posted on ebay!  LOL! Send him an offer, the worst he can say is no.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on March 25, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
You can tell what kind of person he (or she) is when he writes:

Quote
4-8 day expedited shipping to the USA will cost roughly $35

Then:

Quote
I will not ship internationally. Sorry, guys.

USA isn't international destination from Ontario?  :shifty:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
I thought Ontario was in the USA...
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 25, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
I thought Ontario was in the USA...

OUCH!  make sure you bring your Passport when you come to the CJC then... LOL!
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 25, 2011, 10:23:18 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
I thought Ontario was in the USA...

OUCH!  make sure you bring your Passport when you come to the CJC then... LOL!

I have it, it's still good until august. Better bring some extra cash in case I have to pay for my purchases when I cross back the border to the beautiful Country of Quebec  :shifty: ( you like the sound of that Martin? I said "Country" so give me my Timbit ight?;D)
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: formbx257 on March 26, 2011, 03:56:20 PM
Didn't this same guy sell his CJC SNAKE back in September?   ???
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: latinjoe22 on March 26, 2011, 06:30:23 PM
Quote from: "formbx257"
Didn't this same guy sell his CJC SNAKE back in September?   ???

Now that is interesting. Did the auction end with a buyer?
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 26, 2011, 07:35:55 PM
It's up to $305 with 9 bids so far.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on March 26, 2011, 09:11:28 PM
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
Quote from: "bandonov"
Quote from: "latinjoe22"
I thought Ontario was in the USA...

OUCH!  make sure you bring your Passport when you come to the CJC then... LOL!

I have it, it's still good until august. Better bring some extra cash in case I have to pay for my purchases when I cross back the border to the beautiful Country of Quebec  :shifty: + 1
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 28, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
It's at $330 with less then 26 hours to go.  But the Highest bidder is a 2!  A newbie at a low feedback number bidding a high priced item usually goes wrong...
I wish him luck.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: martin-montreal on March 29, 2011, 09:03:14 PM
Quote from: "bandonov"
It's at $330 with less then 26 hours to go.  But the Highest bidder is a 2!  A newbie at a low feedback number bidding a high priced item usually goes wrong...
I wish him luck.

Or it's the seller bidding on it's own item  :shifty:
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 29, 2011, 09:08:12 PM
45 mins to go and it is at $430.  The highest bidder is a 3 so someone is uping the bid to get more on this set.  I will laugh the next highest bidder who is a 549 tells him to beat it if the no.3 does not pay.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 29, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
It ended at $445.  The highest bidder was a 2113 so I'm sure he will pay.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on March 29, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
No. 56 is back on sale again...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360355744908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e6e04c8c (http://http://cgi.ebay.com/Canadian-GI-Joe-Convention-Set-2010-Extra-G-I-Joe-SDCC-/360355744908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53e6e04c8c)

With the SDCC Sarge too, asking $625 CAD this time.
Title: Re: Con Sets On E-Bay
Post by: bandonov on May 20, 2011, 02:20:21 PM
No. 94 is up for sale....

http://http://cgi.ebay.com/GI-JOE-CANADIAN-JOE-CON-EXCLUSIVE-SET-94-100-NEW-/380287713251?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item588ae9ffe3

They are asking $659.99 and they are not including anything extra, just what came in the set.