Post by: olyeller01 on July 29, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
The first question may seem like an odd one. What time of year (and how long of a season do you have) to paint outdoors? And where do you get your paint from? The reason I ask is because I work for Sherwin-Williams, and I'm mostly curious. Even though several of our paints can be applied all the way down to 35 degrees Farenheit, it still takes em like 24 hours to dry at that temperature...and it better not get any colder than 35 until they dry!
Second, I can't help but be curious about gun laws in Canada. How restrictive is the legislation? How easy is it to buy one? How many hoops do you have to jump through to go hunting?
Of course, Texas is one of the most liberal states as far as gun control laws, and fortunately they are trying to make them more liberal all the time. If someone's breaking into your house and stealing your stuff or threatening you or your family, you can cap 'em. Also, it's now legal to keep one in your car here, as it's considered part of the "Castle Doctrine." Previously there were some places you couldn't take your gun even if you had a concealed carry license (mostly government buildings) but I think either that's no longer the case or it will be changed soon.
Last but not least, any of you have any cool guns? I don't...yet. I want to get a Springfield XD in .45, an AR-15, and some kind of shotgun before all is said and done with me...
Post by: Scramble on July 30, 2009, 12:38:26 AM
You could paint from May to August so that's a solid chunk of the year. Still, you couldn't run a house painting company successfully year round. You'd have to make it a home renovations company so that you stayed relevant in the winter.
I don't own a gun and don't know anyone that owns a gun. It's just not part of the culture. Granted, I'm from a major city and like in the states, every city and town's personality differs. I just played a trivia game with someone from a rural town near Edmonton, which is as far from me as Vegas is from Florida. He says the clues we came up with made no sense to him. Like he didn't know who John Tesh was.
Post by: morgardee on July 30, 2009, 08:46:22 AM
I've never shot a gun before. For my birthday this year I wanted to go to a gun range and shot a hand gun at a paper target. They wouldn't allow that. The best I could have done would have been a shot gun or rifle. Plus it was pretty expensive just to do that, so I passed.
I still want to shot a hand gun (legally) some day, but at 37 years of age, I don't see me joining the army or becoming a police or security guard. Well, I guess I could look into security guard, but at 5'6 and a gimpy back, I don't think I'd make a very intimidating guard.
Post by: pdaat on July 30, 2009, 09:00:33 AM
As for gun control, I'm not really sure how new gun purchases go. I believe you have to apply for a license first to be able to buy one. Anyone I know that has a gun had it before the Gun Registry came into effect and simply had to report what they had to the police.
Paul
Post by: ARROW on July 30, 2009, 02:08:51 PM
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Second, I can't help but be curious about gun laws in Canada. How restrictive is the legislation? How easy is it to buy one? How many hoops do you have to jump through to go hunting?
A FAC ( Firearms Acquisitions Certificate) is require to purchase a gun, and the certificate will probably have restrictions on the kinds of weapons you can buy. There's different classifications involved,for rifles, hand-guns, collectible weapons and restricted weapons. There's also waiting periods and mandatory instruction and storage requirements as well.
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Of course, Texas is one of the most liberal states as far as gun control laws, and fortunately they are trying to make them more liberal all the time. If someone's breaking into your house and stealing your stuff or threatening you or your family, you can cap 'em.
The rule of law here is that you can defend yourself up to the point of not breaking a limb or taking a life, unless your life is in imminent danger. Shooting someone who is just breaking into your home would get the home-owner charged with assault because there is no threat to their life. Defending property is not considered grounds for using deadly force.
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Also, it's now legal to keep one in your car here, as it's considered part of the "Castle Doctrine." Previously there were some places you couldn't take your gun even if you had a concealed carry license (mostly government buildings) but I think either that's no longer the case or it will be changed soon.As far as I know.....firearms have to be secured in a specified locker or strongbox within the home. They can be stored in a vehicle ONLY for the purposes of transportation to a gun range, and transport must be direct--that is straight there and back, no stops.
Post by: olyeller01 on July 30, 2009, 10:00:34 PM
Everyone here right now is all scared that Obama is gonna pass new anti-handgun legislation so, it's not too hard to buy a handgun...but ammo is sold out across the country! If you want ammo for your favorite handgun, especially something popular like the .45, you pretty much gotta show up right when the store's truck comes in.
Personally, I hate gun control legislation because all it does is make it harder for hunters, collectors, or law-abiding persons like myself who want a little protection to get a weapon. The criminals sure don't follow the laws! Case in point: Mexico has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world...but the freaking drug trafficking gangs are better armed than the Mexican army, and pretty much run wild! I dunno if any of you have heard about what's happening down here, but it's kinda dangerous to go to a border town now.
Larry Hama said it best in GI Joe#26, via the Soft Master: "...legislating against objects is utterly useless, and no amount of legislation will deter men from constructing bigger and better engines of destruction."
Post by: pdaat on July 31, 2009, 12:24:38 AM
It deters all of the honest, law abiding citizens from wanting to purchase a gun.
Post by: Canuklehead on July 31, 2009, 02:28:36 AM
I really don't think gun control is a bad thing, up here. I know we have laws and regs in place, but people still get guns and ammo (legally). My father used to have a decent collection... a half dozen or so rifles and handguns. My brother's a military man, so I think he has a gun cabinet or two of his collection (not including those from my dad). Purchasing and owning a weapon is all fine, within reason.
My point is, even with gun control legislation up here, it's still not that hard for legitimate hobbiests and hunters to purchase and own firearms.
I wouldn't worry too much about Gun Control, if I were you. All it'll end up being is a token law, at best.
And, if the temperature in Texas ever dips below 30, I wouldn't suggest painting your house. Wait 'til it warms up ;)
Post by: morgardee on July 31, 2009, 10:13:06 AM
The other thought is what about the children that find daddy's gun and accidentally fire the weapon. Yes, I know the guns are not to be stored loaded but we all know this happens. I knew a guy in high school who shot his friend through the cheek with his father's hand gun because he didn't think there was a bullet in the chamber. Stuff like this does happen.
Post by: BHMike on July 31, 2009, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: "morgardee"
I knew a gun in high school.....
Did he graduate? ;-)
Post by: Canuklehead on July 31, 2009, 11:17:29 AM
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Some fair points have been made about gun control and why it is good and bad. My view is that while crimes are not often caused by a registered gun, these guns need to come from some place in the first place. That can be from a break-in or a family member stealing someone else's gun. How else do so many guns end up out there?
Smuggling and the black market. Weapons are smuggled into the country and sold on the street. One way (I would guess) is that gun manufacturers sell them to off-shore purchasers who turn back around, smuggle them back into the country and sell them to whomever is buying. There simply isn't a big enough demand for hobby firearms to meet the demands of the Capitalist stock market - so, to keep their companies viable, they are "forced" to sell to whomever they can, even if they know the buyer is a black market dealer.
Criminals would have to break in to a LOT of gun owner's homes to supply even a Vancouver gang. So while maybe a few come from robberies, the majority would come from black market dealers. Nick Cages movie Lord of War is an awesome example of how it works, albeit on a grander, more foreign scale.
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The other thought is what about the children that find daddy's gun and accidentally fire the weapon. Yes, I know the guns are not to be stored loaded but we all know this happens. I knew a gun in high school who shot his friend through the cheek with his father's hand gun because he didn't think there was a bullet in the chamber. Stuff like this does happen.
now THAT's an awesome point. Canadian laws addressed that by making it mandatory that all firearms must be stored in a special gun safe. The ones my brother and father had were tall (about the size of a locker), made of steel and double-locked. A kid would simply not be able to get a gun out of that... unless they knew where the key was. But a key is much easier to hide than a handgun...
But, there are always going to be people that don't follow that law, don't take it seriously or don't understand why it's in place and keep their guns in cigar boxes in the closet. In those cases, the problem isn't the law, it's enforcement.
Post by: morgardee on July 31, 2009, 11:19:33 AM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Quote from: "morgardee"I knew a gun in high school.....
Did he graduate? ;-)
Gah. You got me. I fixed my post.
For those out there wondering, yes, I managed to graduate even with my fine typing skills.
Post by: pdaat on July 31, 2009, 12:07:04 PM
Post by: dodge822 on July 31, 2009, 12:16:52 PM
Post by: martin-montreal on July 31, 2009, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: "olyeller01"
What time of year (and how long of a season do you have) to paint outdoors?
That question is for me! ;D I'm a retired College Pro Painters franchisee... (you know the yellow signs on the grass...). We were starting painting in April/May and ending our jobs in September/October.
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And where do you get your paint from?
Uhhh, in stores ??? Some names you may know: Glidden, Sico, Benjamin Moore and many more!
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OUCH on the gun control. I feel sorry for you guys. All I have to do to purchase just about any kind of gun is roll into the store, pass an FBI background check, and hand over the cash. As far as carrying one you have to get a concealed handgun license, which is expensive and time-consuming.
How many of your Presidents were killed by guns? And I really don't say that to be mean. Even if our 2 countries are next to each other, we have different views. Here, we give money to poor people, so they don't need to steal or to kill to get money. Also, we have free health care... again, people don't need to find $20K or more, get a mortgage on their house to go to hospital.
When I say different views, I think Americans are really proud about how America can give the possibility to everyone to be a "Self made man". How everyone can realize his own dream. Everybody is responsible for himself. Everybody should protect himself (with a gun) against everyone else (even in his car).
I remember seeing Bowling for Columbine (by Micheal Moore), when he opened a bank account and the bank promotion was a free gun. So he left the bank with a gun in his hands. You would never ever see this here.
And again, I'm not judging. Different views doesn't mean we are better. We just don't feel the need for guns... even in a GI Joe board! We feel that nobody will attack us. Why would they do that? To read more on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada)
Take care!
Martin
Post by: Scramble on August 01, 2009, 01:16:13 AM
Quote from: "olyeller01"
First, I want to say thanks to all you guys for answering my questions. Second, OUCH on the gun control. I feel sorry for you guys. All I have to do to purchase just about any kind of gun is roll into the store, pass an FBI background check, and hand over the cash. As far as carrying one you have to get a concealed handgun license, which is expensive and time-consuming.
Everyone here right now is all scared that Obama is gonna pass new anti-handgun legislation so, it's not too hard to buy a handgun...but ammo is sold out across the country! If you want ammo for your favorite handgun, especially something popular like the .45, you pretty much gotta show up right when the store's truck comes in.
Personally, I hate gun control legislation because all it does is make it harder for hunters, collectors, or law-abiding persons like myself who want a little protection to get a weapon. The criminals sure don't follow the laws! Case in point: Mexico has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world...but the freaking drug trafficking gangs are better armed than the Mexican army, and pretty much run wild! I dunno if any of you have heard about what's happening down here, but it's kinda dangerous to go to a border town now.
Larry Hama said it best in GI Joe#26, via the Soft Master: "...legislating against objects is utterly useless, and no amount of legislation will deter men from constructing bigger and better engines of destruction."
Correlation does not equal cause. In order of most restrictive to least restrive gun laws in North America:
1) Mexico
2) Canada
3) USA
In order of highest percentage of population killed in gun-related incidents:
1) Mexico
2) USA
3) Canada
Pointing at Mexico's gun laws and saying "see, gun legislation doesn't work" is ignoring a lot of variables.
I've heard the whole "I feel bad for people that can't get guns" statement before and I just don't understand it. I had a friend in Kentucky who became a passionate gun advocate because he was a passerby in a shooting and got shot. I would have had the opposite reaction. The same thing when I hear people buying guns for protection. I am so happy I live in a country/city where I don't fear for my own protection enough to feel the need to own a lethal weapon.
The argument that criminals will get guns anyway because they don't obey laws may sound logical, but there are very few guns in all of Montreal. So unless these criminals are so dedicated to crime rather than just desperate or hardluck, the only way they can get guns in this city is to run them across the border, something that is just not worth the risk.
Post by: olyeller01 on August 02, 2009, 11:31:46 AM
I find it so interesting the kind of discussion that can take place on boards like this, and how it reveals the different mindsets from different parts of the world.
Things are different in Canada from the way they are here, obviously. I would be very interested to know the crime rate statistics/etc. Most of you probably feel safe when you go out somewhere at night. By the same token, I'm sure there are places, especially in the large cities, that should be avoided like the plague.
My comment about Mexico's gun control laws not working, and then scramble's note about the "people killed" statistics and the variables is right and brings up a point: you guys (fortunately) don't have gangs from the North Pole trying to run millions of kgs of drugs through your country to the US! The Mexican gangs that run them and the Colombian gangs that produce them stand to make or lose literally millions of dollars if they can get their product into the US. With that amount of money at stake, those gangs will do whatever they have to to make sure they are well armed.
Scramble's other note about the friend in Kentucky brings up a personal point for me. A few weeks ago, I walked out of the bank after getting change for my store, and LITERALLY seconds later, someone walked in, pulled a gun and robbed it. Fortunately no one was hurt (and I wasn't in there!), but I know it sure made me wish I had a weapon on me. If I had been in there & armed, maybe I would have pulled my gun and gotten shot myself...but at least I would have had that option! There's so many crazy people out there these days, and there was nothing to stop that guy from just shooting everyone in the bank if he wanted to.
But yeah, I'm sure he got the gun he used to rob that bank by legal means ::)
And Martin, really I was just wondering if there was a bunch of Sherwin-Williams stores in Canada. All the places you named are the enemy. ;D
Post by: ARROW on August 02, 2009, 01:06:42 PM
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Things are different in Canada from the way they are here, obviously. I would be very interested to know the crime rate statistics/etc. Most of you probably feel safe when you go out somewhere at night. By the same token, I'm sure there are places, especially in the large cities, that should be avoided like the plague.In every Canadian city, there's at least one area that typically only encompasses a few city blocks that are normally avoided. The distinction is that these areas are geographically small, and most people never have a need to be in those places to begin with.
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My comment about Mexico's gun control laws not working, and then scramble's note about the "people killed" statistics and the variables is right and brings up a point: you guys (fortunately) don't have gangs from the North Pole trying to run millions of kgs of drugs through your country to the US!
We do. Gang problems and gang wars are a chronic problem up north. Americans are oblivious to this because American news does not report it.
Asian, Russian, Vietnamese, East Indian gangs and motorcycle "clubs" like the Hells Angels are constantly in the news up here for their misdeeds.
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Scramble's other note about the friend in Kentucky brings up a personal point for me. A few weeks ago, I walked out of the bank after getting change for my store, and LITERALLY seconds later, someone walked in, pulled a gun and robbed it. Fortunately no one was hurt (and I wasn't in there!), but I know it sure made me wish I had a weapon on me. If I had been in there & armed, maybe I would have pulled my gun and gotten shot myself...but at least I would have had that option! There's so many crazy people out there these days, and there was nothing to stop that guy from just shooting everyone in the bank if he wanted to.
Alas, the fallacy of gun-carrying--if gun-toting civilians attempt to stop criminals with guns, how do the police separate the good guys from the bad guys?
They can't.
Cops up here say that if you are a bystander and you use a gun to stop a criminal, the cops will likely treat you as a threat as well.
Civilians also open themselves to litigation if they use their firearms in such a manner,if they miss and hit other bystanders or damage property. Police have conventions that protect them in the course of their duties, civilians seldom have anything similar working in their favour.
This is one of the big arguments as to why Canada chooses to remain a largely non-gun carrying nation. The detriments far outweigh any benefits.
But to give you an idea of something on this:
I currently live in what is described as the 9th most dangerous city in the world, and the most dangerous city in Canada.
Now, this is something of a running joke, because these "statistics" are based upon presumptions made via population.
Last year, my city had two murders.
The two largest cities in Canada (Toronto and Vancouver) had something like 60 and 40 murders respectively.
IIRC, the two murders in my city were stabbings.
The city I live in is the average size for most cities in Canada ( about a 250K pop. avge), and most Cdn cities this size have similar murder rates.
Urban centres with pop. over 1 million--of which there's only about a dozen in Canada, have higher murder rates, but the corresponding comparisons with US centres are far, far less.
The disproportion shows that gun control in Canada contributes to far fewer gun murders per capita.
The difference between Canada and Mexico on gun control is because of the level of corruption in the Mexican system. Graft, bribery, and criminal affiliation in Mexican authorities ( government, police, military is rife, and accountability is minimal.
That's just not the case in Canada.
Having a stricter gun control policy is meaningless when Mexican cops take bribes to basically look the other way while guns are disseminated amongst the criminal population.
It essentially undermines their entire policy.
Post by: dodge822 on August 02, 2009, 01:41:48 PM
I have seen 2 people murdered in my 27 years.
The first one was 15 years ago, at 815am, when i was on my way to school, this police officer had this truck pulled over, and i saw the cop pull his firearm, and shot the driver of the truck in the head.
his excuse was the driver had leaned forward, to get something from under the seat, which from my viewpoint of 10-15 feet away, the driver did not lean forward at all, so why he did it we will never know.
The second time was when i was going to see a Halloween thing at the cne, i was in line with my friends, their was a group of young males in front of me and my friends, 3 other ppl came up from behind us and shot one of the males in the group in front of us, the male was so close to me, that i actually got sprayed with his blood, the you male was maybe 15-16 years of age and he died in my arm, his friends had all taken off with the other guys running after them,
I have never owned a gun, never fired a gun. and after witnessing theses 2 events, and listening to my grandparents war stories, i dont plan on it.
Sorry if i took this little off topic. but i still have see the events, when i close my eyes.
Post by: olyeller01 on August 02, 2009, 02:39:03 PM
Arrow, the difference between the Canadian gangs (which I'm sure rival the nastiness of many of the ones here) and the Mexican ones is the Mexican ones are running drugs from South America into the US. It's hard to grow coca plants at the north pole. And yes, I've heard of the problems the Hells Angels cause in Canada. The Mexican government is corrputed both because of the ruthlessness of the gangs and the enormous amount of money involved. You should read Killing Pablo by Mark Bowden. It details the rise and fall of Pablo Escobar, and how for many years he basically controlled Colombia.
I'm not going to get into a debate and say any gun control system is better. Canada's obviously works well for it. The US's works to some degree. I guess it really all comes down to personal preference. By God, if someone's going to shoot at me, I want to have the chance to shoot back!
Post by: martin-montreal on August 02, 2009, 08:51:38 PM
Quote from: "olyeller01"
And Martin, really I was just wondering if there was a bunch of Sherwin-Williams stores in Canada. All the places you named are the enemy. ;D
I never heard about Sherwin-Williams... maybe they use another name here... or they are have no stores in my province (We often have different store here in Quebec because of the French language).
Martin
Post by: haggis on August 09, 2009, 09:57:25 PM
Post by: pdaat on August 10, 2009, 02:02:48 AM
Post by: Editor on August 10, 2009, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: "ARROW"
But to give you an idea of something on this:
I currently live in what is described as the 9th most dangerous city in the world, and the most dangerous city in Canada.
Now, this is something of a running joke, because these "statistics" are based upon presumptions made via population.
Last year, my city had two murders.
The two largest cities in Canada (Toronto and Vancouver) had something like 60 and 40 murders respectively.
IIRC, the two murders in my city were stabbings.
That said ARROW, we know that titles of that nature exist for headlines and soundbites, and don't always reflect the actual place.
Take in point Surrey, BC. It was labeled the Car Theft Capital of North America a couple years ago, and that title help to reinforce a number of old out-dated misconceptions about Surrey that people in BC and parts of the rest of the country talk about making it seem like a crime infested hellhole.
The actual fact is that Surrey is one of the fastest growing communities in North America. it has a lower per-person crime rate that most of the other cities around Vancouver, and the whole point about the car theft isn't that cars were being stolen here, but that a number of gangs were all using the Peach Arch border crossing (Surrey, BC/Blaine, Washington) to smuggle the cars into the US, and that the Surrey RCMP were recovering a number of stolen vehicles from all over the Western provinces as they were coming thru.
Post by: BHMike on August 10, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: "haggis"
I don't believe there are Sherwin-Williams stores up here but I'm sure I have bought the paint before from other retailers.
Umm... Haggis? Ryamal Road by Upper Wentworth pal. ;-) IN our own city.
Post by: ARROW on August 10, 2009, 05:50:53 PM
Quote from: "Editor"
Quote from: "ARROW"
But to give you an idea of something on this:
I currently live in what is described as the 9th most dangerous city in the world, and the most dangerous city in Canada.
Now, this is something of a running joke, because these "statistics" are based upon presumptions made via population.
Last year, my city had two murders.
The two largest cities in Canada (Toronto and Vancouver) had something like 60 and 40 murders respectively.
IIRC, the two murders in my city were stabbings.
That said ARROW, we know that titles of that nature exist for headlines and soundbites, and don't always reflect the actual place.
Take in point Surrey, BC. It was labeled the Car Theft Capital of North America a couple years ago, and that title help to reinforce a number of old out-dated misconceptions about Surrey that people in BC and parts of the rest of the country talk about making it seem like a crime infested hellhole.
The actual fact is that Surrey is one of the fastest growing communities in North America. it has a lower per-person crime rate that most of the other cities around Vancouver, and the whole point about the car theft isn't that cars were being stolen here, but that a number of gangs were all using the Peach Arch border crossing (Surrey, BC/Blaine, Washington) to smuggle the cars into the US, and that the Surrey RCMP were recovering a number of stolen vehicles from all over the Western provinces as they were coming thru.
I've lived in South Surrey for , and I know it well enough......and all of Surrey largely gets undeserved bad press.
Most Lower Mainland communities do, even the DTES..........okay, well maybe not the DTES.
Post by: haggis on August 10, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Quote from: "haggis"I don't believe there are Sherwin-Williams stores up here but I'm sure I have bought the paint before from other retailers.
Umm... Haggis? Ryamal Road by Upper Wentworth pal. ;-) IN our own city.
Well there you go! I knew I'd used the paint before...I try to stay out of the less cosmospolitain neighbourhoods though, Mike! :o
Post by: Editor on August 11, 2009, 01:31:32 AM
Quote from: "ARROW"
I've lived in South Surrey for , and I know it well enough......and all of Surrey largely gets undeserved bad press.
Most Lower Mainland communities do, even the DTES..........okay, well maybe not the DTES.
Lived in the heart of Whalley for 20+ years, I seen a lot of the worst Surrey has had, and it's no where as bad as the rumor mill makes it.
But the DTES, there is a reason it's called the worst postal code in the country. My GF just quit her job, where one of the buildings she had to goto is right on the edge of the DTES, and to be blunt, I'm glad i'm not having to worry about her being down there anymore.
Post by: ARROW on August 11, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
Quote from: "Editor"
Quote from: "ARROW"I've lived in South Surrey for , and I know it well enough......and all of Surrey largely gets undeserved bad press.
Most Lower Mainland communities do, even the DTES..........okay, well maybe not the DTES.
Lived in the heart of Whalley for 20+ years, I seen a lot of the worst Surrey has had, and it's no where as bad as the rumor mill makes it.
But the DTES, there is a reason it's called the worst postal code in the country. My GF just quit her job, where one of the buildings she had to goto is right on the edge of the DTES, and to be blunt, I'm glad i'm not having to worry about her being down there anymore.
Most of the animation studios I've worked at have been set up in the DTES, and its simply because the real estate is cheap there. Going to/from work is a matter of doing it during daylight hours, and wearing a "war face" expression when walking the streets. Thankfully, never been hassled in all the years working down there, but the streets are mine-fields of used syringes......and worse.
Post by: Kronz on August 31, 2009, 07:09:19 AM
Not being able to get guns was one of the greatest things about moving to Ontario, I genuinely feel far safer as far as gun crime is concerned. The legislation I find much more lifestyle-infringing is the regulation of beer and wine. I don't need a gun ever, but it'd be nice to get beer at 7-11.
Post by: morgardee on August 31, 2009, 08:42:48 AM
Quote from: "Kronz"
Not being able to get guns was one of the greatest things about moving to Ontario, I genuinely feel far safer as far as gun crime is concerned. The legislation I find much more lifestyle-infringing is the regulation of beer and wine. I don't need a gun ever, but it'd be nice to get beer at 7-11.
Now that is something I agree with. If you have to be of age to buy smokes, then why not sell beer as well. Yes, I know kids will try to shop lift beer and it might be able to pass fake ID to a guy at 7-11 but if they locked the beer up (at the retailers expense) then it might work.
Post by: Editor on August 31, 2009, 02:37:11 PM
or in the BC case:
Quote from: "www.bcliquorstores.com"
Organizational Overview
In British Columbia, there are two branches of government that have responsibility for the liquor industry: the Liquor Control and Licensing Branch (LCLB) and the Liquor Distribution Branch (LDB). Both of these branches report to the Ministry of Housing and Social Development. The LCLB issues licences for making and selling liquor and supervises the service of liquor in licensed establishments. To learn more about the LCLB, visit their Web site at www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb (http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb).
The LDB, under the authority of the Liquor Distribution Act, has the sole right to purchase beverage alcohol, both in and out of British Columbia, in accordance with the Importation of Intoxicating Liquors Act (Canada). The LDB is responsible for the importation, distribution and retailing of beverage alcohol in British Columbia. The LDB operates approximately 200 government liquor stores throughout the province; two distribution centres, one in Vancouver and one in Kamloops; and a head office facility in Vancouver. The LDB also authorizes the sale of liquor in rural communities by Rural Agency Stores.
Post by: olyeller01 on August 31, 2009, 04:34:23 PM
Meanwhile, next door in Louisiana, you can gamble, purchase Jack Daniels at a corner store, walk out of a bar with a beer (as long as its in a plastic container), and there's never a cutoff time. And all the lawmakers wonder why everyone goes to Louisiana to party.
Post by: Kronz on August 31, 2009, 06:36:26 PM
But Olyeller, the worst part is the price...I actually cut back my beer drinking 95% or more just on account of the cost: a case of Budweiser (24 cans/bottles) is over $40 here. In Oregon I used to get 30 packs at 12.99 all summer long. Sigh.
Post by: olyeller01 on August 31, 2009, 07:56:27 PM
Quote from: "Kronz"
But Olyeller, the worst part is the price...I actually cut back my beer drinking 95% or more just on account of the cost: a case of Budweiser (24 cans/bottles) is over $40 here.
:o $40 for a case of beer?!?!? That's freakin RIDICULOUS! The most expensive beer I drink, Landshark, is $8 a six pack, which would be $32 a case. I think Budweiser is like $17 or $18 a case. When I was in college at Sam Houston State (which for some reason had some of the cheapest beer anywhere) a 30 pack of Keystone would cost you $9.99, Busch & Busch Light were $12.99, and 30 Buds or Bud Lights were $15.99. Those were the days. And might help explain why I didn't graduate from Sam Houston ;D (I did graduate later though from a very small college, so no, I'm not a total drunken idiot. Just a partial one).
Post by: B on August 31, 2009, 09:47:10 PM
Drinks at bars used to be a $1.25 all night. That changed to a $2.25 min when some guy got hammered and threw himself off a bridge. (like that stops people from getting drunk.) Been to the States a few times in the past years, and pick up a good bottle nice and cheap at the border. However the need to be 21 in the States sucks (at least it does in North Dakota).
Post by: olyeller01 on August 31, 2009, 09:51:44 PM
Quote from: "B"
I'm assuming you guys are talking in Canadian currency correct?
However the need to be 21 in the States sucks (at least it does in North Dakota).
I was talking American currency on my end. But yeah the drinking age in the whole US is 21 and it does suck (not that it matters to me anymore). If you're 18-20 here you can get sent by the military to some Godforesaken place to get shot up but you can't go buy a cold brew.
Oh yeah and I almost forgot. What do you guys think of the way South Park treats you? I kinda doubt you're all beady eyed, that your whole heads split in half when you talk, and that you call each other "buddy, guy, & friend" all the time. And if you've never seen South Park, well, never mind.
Post by: Kronz on September 01, 2009, 01:09:05 AM
Post by: B on September 01, 2009, 06:47:44 AM
So I don't mind paying a bit more to avoid paying huge medical bills.
Post by: ARROW on September 01, 2009, 12:17:09 PM
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Oh yeah and I almost forgot. What do you guys think of the way South Park treats you? I kinda doubt you're all beady eyed, that your whole heads split in half when you talk, and that you call each other "buddy, guy, & friend" all the time. And if you've never seen South Park, well, never mind.
South Park doesn't bother us. On the other hand, you might be glad you don't get Rick Mercer Report down there....
Post by: olyeller01 on September 01, 2009, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: "B"
I think for most Canadians a lot of the taxes placed on booze and cigs end up being spent on health care which costs a lot of money for the amount of people we have in this country.
So I don't mind paying a bit more to avoid paying huge medical bills.
The healthcare thing is a BIG thing going on down here right now. Obama's trying to socialize it and a lot of people are really up in arms about it.
I personally hope it isn't socialized because WHEN has anything the (US anyway) government has gotten involved in turned out for the better in the past couple of decades? Does the system need reform? Yes. I had to go to the ER, waited for 6 1/2 hours to get in, which, by the time I got in my problem (a nasty spider bite on my leg that got infected and swelled up to around the size of a baseball) had subsided (swelling on your leg goes away when you sit on your rear for 6 1/2 hours, apparently). They didn't even lance the damn thing. Instead it was, "here's some antibiotics and some pain pills, and oh yeah, that'll be $750." Which of course I had to pay a $500 deductible on, so all that crap was $500. If I hadn't been feeling so sick and gotten so scared because my whole leg swelled up? Yeah, $20 for the doctor visit and another $10 for the pills. So I quickly swore that the only way I would ever go back to an ER was in the back of an ambulance.
The other reason I hope US healthcare isn't socialized? I worked my tail off to get where I am in management at a hell of a company. I probably pay $500 a year for my healthcare, which I don't miss because it comes out of my check before I even get it. If you ain't got a job so you ain't got no healthcare...well, get off your butt and go get one!
Post by: Scramble on September 01, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
Post by: Kronz on September 01, 2009, 11:28:03 PM
Post by: Realboss on September 09, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
Post by: CF on September 10, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
Quote from: "Scramble"
When I was in Windsor, Ontario, I noticed how much lower the quality of convenience stores was. Granted, Windsor is a city in a worse financial slump than most, but with comparable department stores and grocery stores, I couldn't figure out why the convenience stores were so ragged. Then my wife reminded me that convenience stores in Quebec (or d?paneurs) sold beer. I think she's right, that difference makes Quebec d?ps a lot of money and therefore the overall cleanliness and quality of stock is much higher.
I live in Windsor. did you live here to? We are in bad shape down here lots of people losts their jobs. My dad is lucky though he still has his at Chrysler. We just had a city strike that ended last month.
CF
