Post by: BHMike on December 14, 2006, 04:05:02 PM
Anyone have any thoughts?
It annoys me that they'd take a fan based figure and make money off it.
Other than that.... I'm just going to 'watch' for now.
I thought Aly and Bekker were better people than this.
It's one thing to redo a figure that a MAJOR company did - but to make one for a small meet and purposely make money from it - that just screams all types of wrong to me.
Mike
Post by: Stealth Viper on December 14, 2006, 04:18:48 PM
1) It's just a "n00b" on the site requesting for gtg to copy him. Nothing official yet
2) Yeah, I'd be pissed. In once sense, it's flattering. In another sense, it's flat out wanting to profit on the Black Ice character created here. The Black Ice character is a JoeCanuck copyright though.. so I don't see how they can get away will calling it that.
Post by: Pete The Greek on December 14, 2006, 04:20:04 PM
Post by: Stealth Viper on December 14, 2006, 04:21:15 PM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
Is the f-bomb filter still in place on this board as that is the why I feel about this?
Hmmm.
FUCK Them and their fucking copy bullshit ideas.
Post by: Stealth Viper on December 14, 2006, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: Pete The Greek on December 14, 2006, 04:30:44 PM
If the bastardization of Black Ice happens, this would be a new low. Come up with your own fucking ideas.
Post by: morgardee on December 14, 2006, 04:34:45 PM
Post by: Scramble on December 14, 2006, 04:43:45 PM
You guys wouldn't tell him it was me, right?
Post by: BHMike on December 14, 2006, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: "Stealth Viper"
Yup. F-bomb is filtered. It appears "shit" is not, however.
There's a reason..... the way I see it, you have a choice to F@*&^ in life.
But shit just happens. There's no stopping it.
;-)
As for Black Ice. I registered on their board. Still waiting to be approved by an Admin.....
Honestly, does anyone there see the difference in making casts of a Hasbro item vs. a Fan Made item that isn't an official item?
DO they get the meaning of the Joe Meets? JoeCanuck? BlackIce? Do they care?
Jay, I have to hand it to you - I think you're putting Aly on the spot with your latest post.
If they go ahead with this, then next years figure (or one of them) will have Aly made parts. I'll buy one, and get them all casted by someone else. That's fair isn't it? They steal our shit, we steal it back?.
Post by: beekerzz24 on December 14, 2006, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: "Pete The Greek"
Come up with your own F@*&^ing ideas.
Have to agree with Pete on his quote. They obviously are'nt creative enough to come up with their own ideas.
This is just dis-respectful to the Joe Canuck team creators. What about all the art work you have of black ice? I hope that is protected.
Beeker
Post by: BHMike on December 14, 2006, 07:53:38 PM
He did the work for free as a courtesy to the meet - I have paid him for his work in the past, and would of done so for the Black Ice art as well.
If they were to use it (which I can't see them using it at all), Loop would have every right in the world to be compensated. I'm taking cash. Money. Moolah. Greenbacks.... and lots of it. ;-)
Mike
Post by: Realboss on December 14, 2006, 09:44:59 PM
Post by: Jay on December 14, 2006, 09:51:13 PM
The man's definitely a prick. >:(
I know Bekker is a lot more respectful to the hobby and to the people involved, so I'd expect his reply to be better.
And Ryan, if he does go through with this, I'm going to the Joe Con and putting my foot in his face a couple of times before litterally stuffing his foot in his mouth, no matter how many broken body parts it'll take.
PS: Why didn't anyone tell me the JoeCanuck boards were back up?
Post by: Jay on December 14, 2006, 10:27:13 PM
What Alyosha does with his store is done entirely independantly from Bekker and his crew at the main store.
So when you're referring to the stuff like the 1995 figures and the lack of creativity (trust me guys, the main store is PLENTY CREATIVE, just look at their swords and headsculpts), refer to Alyosha and not to GoodToGo in general.
I hope this doesn't sound rude, but I've dealt many times with the main GTG store and he's even called me up once to ask my opinions on some upcoming projects, so I have tremendous respect for him and what he does with his store.
Post by: BHMike on December 14, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
What Alyosha does with his store is done entirely independantly from Bekker and his crew at the main store.
So when you're referring to the stuff like the 1995 figures and the lack of creativity (trust me guys, the main store is PLENTY CREATIVE, just look at their swords and headsculpts), refer to Alyosha and not to GoodToGo in general.
Aly is on the G2G site, his stuff is sold through that site - therefore what Aly does in my opinion reflects upon the G2G site.
Let's say JoeCanuck.com had a store. Now lets say I allowed Aly to sell his stuff on here.
If someone has a problem with his service or items, or how he does things - that would reflect on the rest of the JoeCanuck store.
Giving Aly his own section on the G2G site is like giving him a partnership - regardless how big or small. What Aly does - WILL reflect on G2G in my opinion. Bekker can stop him - threaten to take away his 'corner'. It's simple logic.
As for Aly's post:
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I will say were this figure to be reproduced it would be no different than say the De Simone Race Car Driver Ace or Police Officer Starduster. Casts of a fan made figure are just that, casts of a fan made figure. Like I said, if someone were to do one of mine, I'd be pissed, but would have no room to gripe about it.
He's sorta right (yes I said that), the parts used for Black Ice ARE all Hasbro parts. I had no right to use them - but I did. If Aly did one of Joe Canuck - then Loop could raise hell since it was HIS sculpt. If Aly has any merits or respect for the hobby, then he wouldn't do the Joe Canuck figure right?
I dunno.
Would it suck if he did it - yes.
Can we stop him? No.
What we can do is stop him from using the art, and the name of the figure. He did say he gives credit for other people ideas - let's see if he sends a link to JoeCanuck.com when he makes his 'new style' version.... we all know it's gonna happen sooner or later.
I just wish he'd leave other peoples work alone and make more of his own items. He comes up with some pretty cool stuff on his own - he doesn't need to make money off other peoples ideas. That's unethical and if his moral compass tells him otherwise - then we need to buy him a new compass for Christmas.
Oh, and Jay. We didn't tell you because we didn't tell anyone!
I actually think I sent out a mailer from the site..... if your email addy is correct then you should of gotten it. The main board was updated - does no one read it?
Mike
Post by: Jay on December 14, 2006, 11:56:41 PM
Post by: night force cynic on December 15, 2006, 09:21:47 AM
I'm not even sure why that idiot posted it as a suggestion for Aly to cast in the first place... the only old sculpt stuff the man deals with is the P95 stuff and that's just lame IMO. And yeah, reflective of GTG as a whole technically, Aly is still his own thing over there so if the dude wanted BI ripped off by GTG, he should have posted in the main board's suggestion thread. But since nobody that would support that endeavor seems to GET IT and the mystique of all the great that IS Black Ice, I'm happy GTG ain't touchin' it now.
Post by: Raptor on December 15, 2006, 11:43:11 AM
But it won't be Black Ice. It won't be the same painting, it won't be the same artwork, and it won't be the same filecard. Black Ice isn't the figure, it's the concept and the intelectual creation attached to the figure. It's the press and the hype, and the limitedness.
If you want to make one for yourself, do it. If you try to sell it as an unnamed figure, I guess that's your right. But if you try to make money off the Black Ice name, you'd better have Mike's permission and be sending him a cheque.
I'm a little conflicted on this. Buying casted parts is in the same legal grey area as downloading music. If you're downloading it for personal enjoyment, and not massive quantities of it, that's a moral leap that most people are willing to make. But if you are downloading it to burn copies to sell to other people, you've crossed a line. That may not be other people's etical standard, but it one that I'm generally ok with when it comes to toys.
I've done several customs of foreign figures. Am I screwing hasbro or Joe Fans by making a knock off Marujo? I honestly don't know. But in this case, I'm ok with the casting so long as people don't try to financially benefit from Mike's intelectual property.
Mind you if they were selling the parts in a complete state, dyed to match and painted, I'd have a bigger problem with it. And if they ever copied Joe Canuck's head I'd be livid.
Also, I hate to say it but I have to agree with Jin. We shouldn't bash G2G for this. They didn't actually *do* anything, and I sincerely doubt that they would. I have every confidence that Bekker would *not* let anything like this happen.
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Post by: Jay on December 15, 2006, 02:37:07 PM
Quote from: "Raptor"
Also, I hate to say it but I have to agree with Jin.Why do people ALWAYS say that?
Post by: Raptor on December 15, 2006, 02:59:41 PM
Reminds me of this guy who was pitching a new show to Fox Kids. The woman wanted something out of the box. He showed it to her, but made her promise not to laugh, because everyone had told him that it was awful, and had laughed.
The show was the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.
And it seems that Black Ice turned out to be the "perfect storm" of an original character.
Who knew.
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Post by: Jay on December 15, 2006, 03:22:59 PM
By posting here, you might be banned from shopping at Alyosha's section of the store!
He sent me a PM on GTG basically insulting me and warning me never to post in his section again (with an implied "or else") and he said he didn't want my business.
Post by: BHMike on December 15, 2006, 06:32:58 PM
Mr. ego is my new name for him - which is a shame since he came across as a nice guy on the G2G board.
Wolf? Sheep? Clothing?
*shrug*
Post by: Jay on December 15, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
Quote from: "BHT"
Yeah, he sent me some holy-than thou PM as well.I'd think so.
Mr. ego is my new name for him - which is a shame since he came across as a nice guy on the G2G board.
Wolf? Sheep? Clothing?
*shrug*
He came across rather nicely to me on the Joecustoms board, but then something didn't go his way and he flipped out, turned into a major asshole and got banned. Then he burned his bridge by insulting beav and demanding all the customs he'd submitted be removed from the site.
Then on the GTG boards again, he seemed rather nice, but then all of a sudden he was all "Screw integrity and collector courtesy, I'll copy Black Ice if it can give me MONEY!"... And then when people reacted negatively to his behavior, he decided to ban us for life from his store ala Comic Book Guy. :-X
Doesn't really matter to me, I never planned on shopping at his section anyway.
His stuff is overpriced and I hear the quality and service isn't as good as what Bekker and Master Gunzz do.
Post by: Deadshot on December 15, 2006, 09:59:04 PM
Actually I don't think Mr ego is the right name... i have a few others but I think the filter would burn out if I used them.
he's only in it for the $$$$
my 2 cents
Post by: Jay on December 15, 2006, 10:12:23 PM
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Mike couldn't be more right with his new name for Aly. The guy wouldn't even part with a friggen painted custom of Sgt Slaughter for the sarge himself ... "well this one isn't for sale but I have a kit I could sel him".... geeze........
What the fuck is wrong with that stupid fucking fucker?!?!?
Post by: BHMike on December 15, 2006, 11:08:42 PM
You do know Aly has been reading this right?
His Pm to me was directed at you guys... my 'Kids' as he put it.
Maybe I should post it?
Post by: Jay on December 15, 2006, 11:12:15 PM
Post yours and I'll post mine, Mike.
Post by: Scramble on December 16, 2006, 12:34:52 AM
Here's my question: Is Aly actually surprised that we have all grown closer as friends by sharing our mutual hate for someone whose actions have clearly made him out to be an attention-hungry profit-oriented germ, with considerable talent completely overshadowed by the stench of rotteness fuming off of him? Or is he smart enough to know how many people dislike him, that we all have good reason to dislike him, and that by acting civil he can hide himself like a small turd nugget in a box of chocolates?
What's funny is that he didn't even suggest copying Black Ice, even turned down the idea, and just the way he turned it out brought back so many vivid memories of reading Aly posts and wondering "does this guy even have friends, and if so, how much money has he leeched off of them?"
Post by: Raptor on December 16, 2006, 02:06:44 AM
I get what is being put across here, but I don't think that the graphic profanity and colorful rethorical questions do any of us any good.
This might be a good thing to let die.
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Post by: BHMike on December 16, 2006, 02:09:35 AM
mike
Post by: Bekker on December 16, 2006, 03:20:12 AM
First we at gtg will not be making any copys of this figure without first asking and making sure it would be cool,and second if we did we would comp the creator.
We dont take credit for others work,would we like to work on a new modern sclupt,hell yeah,would be an honor and something i would like to be a part of.
As far as aly goes,aly hasnt done me wrong at all,what he does to other people is on him,he rents a cart from us,and since he does he has a section for him to pimp his projects.
I can not say i wish this didnt happen,I am glad in way that the member on gtg brought it up,it allowed us to show people we are not all bout the money,we very much love the hobby and want to be a part of a any fan base no matter where they are.
I know alot of love went into the blackice project,and i feel it shouldnt be made to be profit off,unless the creator wanted us to do something for them.
So just wanted to give my word that no one on the gtg site will make any copys at all,and if they do,i will take care of that as well.
I hope maybe this clears some things up,it wasnt us who came up with the idea,but a member and I dont think the idea was all that bad,but it shouldnt be a recast of this figure,maybe a modern twist if that is something people would like to see.Again the black ice is a joecanuk figure and will stay that way.
Thanks Mike for letting me come on and hope this will put peoples minds at ease
Any concerns further that need to be answered just shoot me a pm,
Thanks
Dave Gray(Bekker).
Post by: Pete The Greek on December 16, 2006, 03:33:52 AM
Quote from: "Raptor"
Come on guys. This kind of talk is a little harsh.
I get what is being put across here, but I don't think that the graphic profanity and colorful rethorical questions do any of us any good.
This might be a good thing to let die.
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I agree. I would lay off on the personal attacks as well. It serves no purpose.
Post by: Scramble on December 16, 2006, 02:03:21 PM
Post by: Raptor on December 16, 2006, 04:36:16 PM
(How freakin cool is that effect!)
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Post by: BHMike on December 16, 2006, 04:56:13 PM
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[move:3t6oyumj]And with that, it might be a good idea to lock the thread.[/move:3t6oyumj]
(How freakin cool is that effect!)
Uh oh.... Someone has been playing with the new board features.
WATCH OUT!
Do I really need to lock it?
[font=Verdana:3t6oyumj]Ok then.......[/font:3t6oyumj]
Consider it [move:3t6oyumj]LOCKED[/move:3t6oyumj]
...at least I think it is?...