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General Section => General Joe Talk => Topic started by: BHMike on February 01, 2008, 01:09:08 PM
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About a month ago I picked up a 25th Snake Eyes MOC at a toy show for $5.00 (w/Timber).
For $5.00, I'd give these a chance.
Then, while at Stealth Vipers house one day, I was checking out the Cobra Troops.
At that point I decided there were some that I wanted for a loose display.
So now I own Snake Eyes, Firefly, Storm Shadow, Destro and Scarlett (Cobra Commander, Flint, Baroness and Serpentor will be here soon).
When I got Snake Eyes, I set him up in a pose I REALLY liked and left him like that. When I got Destro - same thing. Storm Shadow - took awhile, he didn't want to stand in the position I wanted - so I had to find another position. Firefly - useless. I had the way he stands - if his harness wasn't on him - I'd be able to stand him better.
So today I got Scarlett.
What a piece of crap this is.
1. She can't hold her crossbow properly in either hand.
2. Her "belt" is annoying as hell.
3. Her pont tail limits the position in which she can be posed or faces..
The next guys that show up better be easier to display.... because I'm on the fence of getting rid of them all right now.
I shouldn't have to "add glue" or "recut" a part of a figure that I JUST bought to make it stand up or hold a weapon should I?
Just not impressed with these last few... no sir... I'm not.
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Some of the first ones really weren't that great as far as posing possibilities, but they are generally getting better as the line progresses. The box set figures are hardly worth opening.
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That could be my problem then.
Storm Shadow, Scarlett and Destro are all from the 5 packs. I "MAY" of found a fix for Scarlett in her posing... but it's 3rd way I'd like to pose her... not my FIRST choice.
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I have to agree - the box sets were made with really crappy hands - the plastic was either to soft or not in the right position to hold the weapon properly.
Duke/Flint has even worse hands in my opinion.
I also had a hard time with Roadblock and Gung Ho - crappy hand molds.
I couldn't get Destro to hold his suitcase in his left hand without forcibly cramming it in!
Serpentor really had no leg movement for me because of his skirt.
What bothers me - is they improved the crotch so that it didn't look like a diaper.
however they are still re-using the molds with the crappy hands - I hope atleast they fix the rubber hands on the reused molds (dreadnok comic packs)
As much as I have complained above, I do still really like this series of figures, and would love if I could by a thrid set to display (one set for me and one for my son is all I can currently justifiable afford).
I also think with seeing how hard these figures are to find in Canada, they are either doing really well and my disappointment with some of the figures is easily overlooked by other fans.
or
Wal-Mart/Zellers really never had many sets of figures to begin with.
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What time was my first post?... Add 10 minutes on there. That's how long it took me to get her in a pose that I didn't mind.
(http://http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1078/p2014017gq7.jpg)
I'm not happy with it... and I'd move her to the back or something instead of the front if I wasn't so scared that the crossbow would "fall out" of her belt AGAIN.
I don't have any "big poses" planned for the last 5 figures I'm getting.... yet...
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50 FRIGGIN MINUTES!??
It took me nearly an hour to pose a friggin toy?!
Ugghhh.
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I have only played with a Snake Eyes v2, but it blew my mind how hard it was to get the uzi to stay in his hand, and the trigger finger refuses to fit in the trigger guard. And I know there's a lot of love for the double knee, but I can't figure out a pose it allows that a single jointed knee didn't.
These toys look great, but they aren't as playable as Sigma 6.
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I left all my joes in the battle pack. No problems posing the 7 figures that were released in Wal-Mart. What I hate are the battle stands, yeah its cool they have the logo and the code name but it makes it hard to put the figure on, the pegs are not positioned properly.
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Flash's helmet barely stays on though. Other than that, the posablility is good. I like the fixed crotch Stalker I bought in Michigan.
Paul
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Other than cutting open one of the Pimp SDCC Destros I STILL haven't opened any of the 25th figures... and I have damn near all of them so far. I just can't bring myself to open them... I just have no feelings about them that aren't almost complete ambivalence.
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The only figures I've opened so far are the 5 packs and a couple of beaten up discount card figures (Hooded C.C., Storm Shadow 2, Snake Eyes ver I forget)
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The only ones I don't want to open up that I have is my Joe Battle Pack and Pimp Destro, since we have the crapy carded single packs I don't feel so bad ripping those open
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The wave 5 that showed up in Canada is pretty good - I don't mind the look of the CG, and the black Snake Eyes really looks great. Snow Job is great, however I think I still have a lingering "ho-hum" feeling because of the last time we had Snow Job hogging peg space at Canadian retail.
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I meant crapy as in the card backings not the figures, just so no one thinks I'm hating on them like I do with Hasrbo. I like the figures, would have been nice to see more of the corrected waists first though. But with the lack of art on the front of the Canadian cards I don't care to leave them MOC
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I refuse to be a hater with this line. I think it's the coolest thing Hasbro has ever done since the original ARAH started in 1982! You wanna gripe about something, then be miserable over how it's nearly impossible to get these toys in Canada! ;D
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Other than PDDestro, I got them all so far and have opened all but Hooded CC. Some are disappointing, others are great.
So far, I am happy with the 6 of the Original 13 I have so far. All I need is Rock'n'Roll and I'll have the first Joes I bought (a 3-pack of Stalker, Scarlett and RnR from Sears).
Paul
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I refuse to be a hater with this line. I think it's the coolest thing Hasbro has ever done since the original ARAH started in 1982! You wanna gripe about something, then be miserable over how it's nearly impossible to get these toys in Canada! ;D
What? No. Just because a toy looks all nice and fancy doesn't mean it should have the pose-ability or play-ability of a rock should it?
I despise McFarlane items for being the same way - they look great - but you can't do jack with them.
They've apparently gotten better in the newer waves - that's good to hear, but I'll "hate" on something because it has flaws if I'd like to. And in this case, the Scarlett figure sucks in my opinion.
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They've apparently gotten better in the newer waves - that's good to hear, but I'll "hate" on something because it has flaws if I'd like to. And in this case, the Scarlett figure sucks in my opinion.
I agree, a lady should not sit like that :lol:
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I refuse to be a hater with this line. I think it's the coolest thing Hasbro has ever done since the original ARAH started in 1982! You wanna gripe about something, then be miserable over how it's nearly impossible to get these toys in Canada! ;D
What? No. Just because a toy looks all nice and fancy doesn't mean it should have the pose-ability or play-ability of a rock should it?
I despise McFarlane items for being the same way - they look great - but you can't do jack with them.
They've apparently gotten better in the newer waves - that's good to hear, but I'll "hate" on something because it has flaws if I'd like to. And in this case, the Scarlett figure sucks in my opinion.
Sorry Mike, I appreciate all you've done for Joes in Canada but I think you're wrong here :o Poseability of a rock? Hardly. I count 20 points of articulation. Last I checked, rocks had zero :wink: Sure, she has problems sitting, but let's not forget that Scarlett is from the first wave. It takes time to iron out the kinks. Let's also not forget that the first wave of the originals back in the day had massive waistpieces and no swivel-arm...and Joes couldn't even look up or down until 1985! Sure, anyone is entitled to his/her opinion of course, but I "hate" to see the Joe fandom turn into the Transformers fandom where every single new thing Hasbro comes up with is ripped to shreds, when it's obvious there is a lot of heart and soul put into their products. I, for one, am extremely happy as a Joe collector that Hasbro is making the 25th line and have purchased nearly 2 of every release so far. So Mike (and others with similar opinions)...please give the line a chance, or at least keep your "hate" to a dull roar so as not to influence any potential new fans
I'd like to see this series become a huge success for Hasbro so they hopefully continue it for a long, long time.
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Hey hey... ;-)
My gripe is with the figures I HAVE so far. Read my first post. ;-)
In my opinion, based on those, this line lacks display value for me out of the package.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the 25th line. Really. I love the packaging (that the U.S. got), I love the look and style of them. I just don't care for Scarlett and Firefly and how they "pose".... I'm still awaiting some figures, so I'm sure Scarlett and Firefly are just the rotten apples of the bunch for me. But I still stand by the fact that NO toy should have to be glued or re-cut to hold something properly. ;-)
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Hey hey... ;-)
My gripe is with the figures I HAVE so far. Read my first post. ;-)
In my opinion, based on those, this line lacks display value for me out of the package.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the 25th line. Really. I love the packaging (that the U.S. got), I love the look and style of them. I just don't care for Scarlett and Firefly and how they "pose".... I'm still awaiting some figures, so I'm sure Scarlett and Firefly are just the rotten apples of the bunch for me. But I still stand by the fact that NO toy should have to be glued or re-cut to hold something properly. ;-)
OK, sorry I was under the impression that you despised the 25th line :) Guess I've been around too many Transformer fans with their "OMFG PRIME'S FACE IS SCREWED UP WHY IS MEGATRON NOT A GUN" etc antics. In my opinion the 25th line really is something great despite the kinks. I'm sure as you get more figures you'll come to appreciate even the non-sitters... ;D BTW I do admit that I like the 25th more in the package than out, so perhaps there is something to your argument after all :o
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Both Colonel and Mike have valid points. The main reason I stopped buying McFarlane is because the figures could no longer be posed. They look great otherwise but have no playability. The first few wave do have some serious issues in the playability department i.e. not holding guns properly, but they are a vast improvement compared to the V vs V line when it comes to detail and look. The best bet is to probably keep the first waves in box or MOC. and see how the new waves improve.
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Well, I opened my first figure tonight (Snow Job) and I was appalled at cheapness of the accessories. I almost bent a ski in half just trying to get out of the package. Both poles now have figure nail marks from trying to put them on the backpack on the first try. The small pistol was bent trying to put in in the holster. I didn't realize I needed the strength of a four year old to handle an action figure. The rest better not be like this or they are just staying MOC.
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I found them to be a little flimsy too, but luckily most collectors don't have your pipes Pete. ;-)
If you were going to open one, Snow Job was the one to do. If it's not the best figure released so far, it's in the top 3.
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I found them to be a little flimsy too, but luckily most collectors don't have your pipes Pete. ;-)
If you were going to open one, Snow Job was the one to do. If it's not the best figure released so far, it's in the top 3.
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Agreed. SnowJob #1 so far
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So far I've been on the fence myself with the figures. The I opened my new Beach head (with fixed crotch) and my faith has been 100% restored in this line. He posses great, his gear looks great and stays on and he is not flimsy at all. I know firefly is basically Beach Head but I'm guessing you have the diaper wearing version Mike.
Locate a new Beach Head figure and give that figure a try. Mine came from the new wave 6 I just got from Smalljoes. BTW, I took just over a week for my last order from them to reach my house, no duty taxes, a full case for around $60 CND after shipping. Beats buying them here in Canada. How sad is that?
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Beach Head was the second single pack I have opened. It's a great figure.
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Snow Job, Torpedo and I'm actually REALLY impressed with the battle Armor CC.
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What's unfortunate is that I only want to get the 25th versions of characters I really enjoy, either as a kid or as an adult. So I'm torn when I hear that Snow Job and Torpedo, two characters I have never cared about in any incarnation, are the best figures in the series. Do I break down and buy two mediocre (to me) characters with awesome figures, or do I continue to only buy the few characters that really speak to me despite lackluster figures?
So torn.
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Those figures are so awesome they will BECOME characters you enjoy - therefore fitting your criteria.
WIN - WIN!
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I agree, Snow Job and Beach Head are nice figures - I was also impressed with the second version of FireFly I got recently - the movement in the legs allows him to move much better.
I am hoping to have the next three - R&R, Armor CC and Torpedo shortly, but my guess is all new figures that are not repaints from the first and second wave will be improvments.
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Armour CC is the best fig of wave 6 to me and here's why - I already like Torpedo and RnR from back in the day and the updated sculpts are cool, yes...but I would've liked them regardless :) 1987 ACC I don't recall because I was done with Joes in 1986. I didn't particularly like the figure when I was introduced to it later when I got into collecting. It looked a little too sci-fi for me. The vintage-style comic pack version was pretty cool but that was more due to the fact that it was a Fred in the suit. With this new updated sculpt I am totally impressed with the design...I can truly believe that there's a maniacal bad guy in there and he's ready to face the Joes on the frontlines! I am now a fan of the 1987 Cobra Commander design. Excellent job Hasbro!
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One more cool thing about Wave 6...the stands have TWO footpegs...so the figures can actually stand properly now!!