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Title: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: martin-montreal on May 13, 2010, 08:27:06 PM
Hey guys,

Since our Canadian exclusive convention sets are Hasbro approved, why are they not listed on Yojoe (http://www.yojoe.com/action/int/ (http://http://www.yojoe.com/action/int/) and http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/all/ (http://http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/all/))?

This would be a nice way to promote the Canadian convention and its exclusives... I mean, they are Hasbro approved with official logo on it. So, it's not like other customs figs made by someone...

Martin
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 13, 2010, 08:51:36 PM
How strange you posted this as I'm in the process right now of taking images for it.

Images were requested last year, but time didn't allow me to actually sit down and take all the photos needed.

The Comic, which was in the con set - is posted at yojoe.

http://www.yojoe.com/comics/convention/canjoecon.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/comics/convention/canjoecon.shtml)
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: martin-montreal on May 13, 2010, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
How strange you posted this as I'm in the process right now of taking images for it.

Images were requested last year, but time didn't allow me to actually sit down and take all the photos needed.

The Comic, which was in the con set - is posted at yojoe.

http://www.yojoe.com/comics/convention/canjoecon.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/comics/convention/canjoecon.shtml)

Great! I tried myself to take pictures of the set, but with my old digital camera, the flash always reflect on the HATE Tank so I can't make good pictures...

Can't wait to see yours!

Martin
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on May 13, 2010, 11:08:41 PM
Was wondering the same thing, correct me if I am wrong, General Joes didn't have a review either.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: turner on May 13, 2010, 11:20:11 PM
I had actually pm'd an offer to send in pics for it, but didn't get a response, but I didn't really know who to contact about it...  I'm glad this is in process.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 14, 2010, 12:12:59 AM
Quote from: "NeoDragonKnight"
Was wondering the same thing, correct me if I am wrong, General Joes didn't have a review either.

Yes, he did. It was in our own newsletter. It's been going on for MONTHS now....
Since January, I think.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: NeoDragonKnight on May 14, 2010, 09:59:30 AM
ah those were general joes reviews didnt realize.  Thats cool, he will prob but them up on his site some time.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 14, 2010, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: "NeoDragonKnight"
ah those were general joes reviews didnt realize.  Thats cool, he will prob but them up on his site some time.

He will.... I'd expect it to be done in July 

Not sure why.... :shifty:
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: roshan on May 15, 2010, 01:48:46 AM
Quote from: "turner"
I had actually pm'd an offer to send in pics for it, but didn't get a response, but I didn't really know who to contact about it...  I'm glad this is in process.


Usually Red Claw is the man to ask on that.  When I submit photos that's who I contact. 
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: turner on May 15, 2010, 11:20:48 PM
Thanks for the info Roshan.  I recognize your user name from the tank :)
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: xhairs on May 17, 2010, 02:31:42 PM
very cool.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 17, 2010, 05:43:52 PM
Quote from: "turner"
I had actually pm'd an offer to send in pics for it, but didn't get a response, but I didn't really know who to contact about it...  I'm glad this is in process.

I've tried the same thing. I've sent a msg to RedClaw about an idea I had (Creating a new section called Fan Made Group Projects on YoJoe) where we could find the CanJoeCon figures, the CustomCon figures, Sacramento G.I. Joe show figures (BrownWaterWarriors) etc.. But I think he is too busy.....yeah sure! Here's the original e-mail I sent to him (sorry for the bad english  ;D):

Hi Terry!
Thanks for the fast reply! Yeah, I don't think it's good to put custom figures through ``normal`` YoJoe pages neither! This site is dedicated for production pieces only and it's perfect like that. Imagine if everybody could put his custom works on YoJoe! I don't want this site to loose it's professional side. There's already many sites dedicated for custom figures too! But that's not my point; there are figures out there that are known by the majority of the G.I. Joe community around the world (I know it's a debate right now on YoJoe boards) like JoeCanuck convention exclusives, CustomCon figures, Sacramento G.I. Joe show figures (BrownWaterWarriors) etc.. Those are all fan made figures for some group projects. There's no mention of these figures on YoJoe, sure they are not production pieces but they are indeed collectibles. These pieces could be put in the Collectible Archive under a new theme like FanMadeGroupProjects or something else (I know you're better than me for that!!!) It would be nice to see each of these rare figures getting the YoJoe treatment (a page for each of them with pictures, weapons, filecards, parts description.. Another thing is that Larry Hama has done some work and gave his OK for the FuryForce set so it gives it another ``official`` touch to it! These figures are a part of the G.I. Joe history!
Well, think about it, I think it's a pretty nice idea personnaly (sure, it's mine) ;-)
Like I said earlier, I'm ready to send you plenty of photos from the set itself and all it's contents (even the Larry Hama's Spook original artwork)
Answer me soon and give me some news!

Eric
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Jay on May 17, 2010, 06:45:41 PM
You know...

If Yojoe can list these:
http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/ ... icer.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/con-policeofficer.shtml)
http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/ ... iver.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/con-racecardriver.shtml)

Then I see absolutely no reason whatsoever that the CanJoeCon sets cannot be listed, or at the very least the latest one, which IIRC did receive some sort of Hasbro support.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 17, 2010, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
You know...

If Yojoe can list these:
http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/ ... icer.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/con-policeofficer.shtml)
http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/ ... iver.shtml (http://www.yojoe.com/action/convention/con-racecardriver.shtml)

Then I see absolutely no reason whatsoever that the CanJoeCon sets cannot be listed, or at the very least the latest one, which IIRC did receive some sort of Hasbro support.

Exactly..
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 17, 2010, 09:44:45 PM
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.

Our 2009 set falls into that group. But anything prior does not.


.... an argument could be made for Snowbank since Hasbro was in attendance at that event... but then, if you're going to include Snowbank, then you have to include Timbit... and no one wants that. ;-)
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Jay on May 17, 2010, 09:59:19 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.
Well... those two I linked weren't endorsed, sponsored or made by Hasbro.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 17, 2010, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: "Jay"
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.
Well... those two I linked weren't endorsed, sponsored or made by Hasbro.

Hehe.. go figure...
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 17, 2010, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.

Our 2009 set falls into that group. But anything prior does not.


.... an argument could be made for Snowbank since Hasbro was in attendance at that event... but then, if you're going to include Snowbank, then you have to include Timbit... and no one wants that. ;-)

Yeah, sure but like I said before it's not an obligation to put them in their regular entries. Just create a new section in the Collectible Archive for that kind of figures. After all Black Ice, Joe Canuck, the Brown Water Warriors, the CustomCon Fury Force figures etc. are known troughout the world and they're is no trace of them on that site who is supposed to be the biggest Joe archive on the net..  ???
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 17, 2010, 11:44:40 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.

Our 2009 set falls into that group. But anything prior does not.


.... an argument could be made for Snowbank since Hasbro was in attendance at that event... but then, if you're going to include Snowbank, then you have to include Timbit... and no one wants that. ;-)

Yeah, sure but like I said before it's not an obligation to put them in their regular entries. Just create a new section in the Collectible Archive for that kind of figures. After all Black Ice, Joe Canuck, the Brown Water Warriors, the CustomCon Fury Force figures etc. are known troughout the world and they're is no trace of them on that site who is supposed to be the biggest Joe archive on the net..  ???

 

Ok, first, the Brown Water Warriors are just lame. Simple swaps, no effort involved. I have ALWAYS thought them lame. Hell, Timbit is better than those. lol.

The JoeCustoms made Fury Force set, while cool (thanks to my awesome packaging skills), doesn't need to be anywhere. It's up to the owner of that set if they want their figures showcased on a site somewhere. It included a one of a kind, 2009 sketch of one of the characters (Spook) by Larry Hama. The money all went to charity, and most people don't know about it. Whoever owns it (maybe you) has the only say in it.

Black Ice, JoeCanuck, etc - I already stated. They have no right being on there in my opinion. YoJoe is an archive of the G.I. Joe figures produced from 1982 to present. GI JOE FIGURES. Not custom figures made simply because someone had a get together... if that were the case, then there's some other customs that should be put on the site like the JCnorth and JCsouth figures. The Coil figures, Alyosha's Con only pick up figures, the list would go ON and ON and ON and ON.

JoeCustoms.com showcases customs - and when you break it down, that's what these non-Hasbro involved figures are - customs. YoJoe isn't the place for them.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Jay on May 18, 2010, 01:10:23 AM
Quote from: "THE Mike?"
Ok, first, the Brown Water Warriors are just lame. Simple swaps, no effort involved.
If even that... Best I can tell, Reed Rat is just an unmodified Mirage with some BBi gear added.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Sundance on May 18, 2010, 05:46:13 AM
brown water warriors?????
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 18, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"


Ok, first, the Brown Water Warriors are just lame. Simple swaps, no effort involved. I have ALWAYS thought them lame. Hell, Timbit is better than those. lol.

The JoeCustoms made Fury Force set, while cool (thanks to my awesome packaging skills), doesn't need to be anywhere. It's up to the owner of that set if they want their figures showcased on a site somewhere. It included a one of a kind, 2009 sketch of one of the characters (Spook) by Larry Hama. The money all went to charity, and most people don't know about it. Whoever owns it (maybe you) has the only say in it.

Black Ice, JoeCanuck, etc - I already stated. They have no right being on there in my opinion. YoJoe is an archive of the G.I. Joe figures produced from 1982 to present. GI JOE FIGURES. Not custom figures made simply because someone had a get together... if that were the case, then there's some other customs that should be put on the site like the JCnorth and JCsouth figures. The Coil figures, Alyosha's Con only pick up figures, the list would go ON and ON and ON and ON.

JoeCustoms.com showcases customs - and when you break it down, that's what these non-Hasbro involved figures are - customs. YoJoe isn't the place for them.


Yes I'm in agreement with you on this one (I don't want to see them in the regular entries) but do you think it's possible for YoJoe to create a brand new section in the Collectible Archive where we could find all these figures (only the ones created for conventions or special events) in one spot? I don't know, I think it's a great idea....maybe not.. :-
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: roshan on May 18, 2010, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"




Yes I'm in agreement with you on this one (I don't want to see them in the regular entries) but do you think it's possible for YoJoe to create a brand new section in the Collectible Archive where we could find all these figures (only the ones created for conventions or special events) in one spot? I don't know, I think it's a great idea....maybe not.. :-



yojoe.com already has a convention section to their archive, and there are already Hasbro endorsed customs used for conventions in that archive.  The Desimone police officer and the undercover Jinx are two examples of those. 
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 18, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: "roshan"
yojoe.com already has a convention section to their archive, and there are already Hasbro endorsed customs used for conventions in that archive.  The Desimone police officer and the undercover Jinx are two examples of those. 

First, the race car driver and police officer are not endorsed by Hasbro.. so I don't know what they're doing there.  ??? Btw Mike, Timbits is a better custom than these two..  ;D
Second, I don't want them to put the con figures in their regular convention section (Hasbro endorsed figures) but in a new one under the Collectible Archive section of their site where everyone could take a look at these fantastic collectibles..
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: bandonov on May 18, 2010, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
Ok, first, the Brown Water Warriors are just lame. Simple swaps, no effort involved. I have ALWAYS thought them lame. Hell, Timbit is better than those. lol.

Go Timbit! I'm going to start a Timbit fanclub!
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: RedClaw on May 18, 2010, 08:39:13 PM
Quote from: "5h4rK"
Quote from: "THE Mike™"
In my eyes, only those figures endorsed, sponsored, or made by Hasbro should be added.

Our 2009 set falls into that group. But anything prior does not.


.... an argument could be made for Snowbank since Hasbro was in attendance at that event... but then, if you're going to include Snowbank, then you have to include Timbit... and no one wants that. ;-)

Yeah, sure but like I said before it's not an obligation to put them in their regular entries. Just create a new section in the Collectible Archive for that kind of figures. After all Black Ice, Joe Canuck, the Brown Water Warriors, the CustomCon Fury Force figures etc. are known troughout the world and they're is no trace of them on that site who is supposed to be the biggest Joe archive on the net..  ???

 

This is my official stance on all of these figures.

DeSimone figures - these were made by the man who ran the OFFICIAL conventions in 1992 and 1993. The figures were made from Hasbro Direct / Mail-order left-over stock and were supplied by Hasbro for use as customs. The includes Undercover Jinx, Race Car Driver and Police Officer. Therefore, while I personally do not think of these as quality figures, they are, in fact, fan-produced official figures. These were produced in sufficient quantity as to warrant a significant secondary market value.

Canadian JoeCon figures - Official in every single way. I am willing to go so far as to retroactively consider all figures from these conventions as "official" as, again, they were produced in sufficient quantity as to warrant their inclusion in the archives.

Swamp whatever figures - unofficial in every single way. Any fan can easily reproduce them with little effort and are without a doubt, NOT figures that should be archived in the official G.I.Joe figure archives. Period.

Any custom/fan project figures - these things are great. Really. I love seeing passion and original creativity from the community and over time the quality and passion put into these kinds of figures seems to just get better and better. But...these are still unofficial figures that are essentially impossible for any collector to purchase. They hold no real historical significance to the history of the G.I.Joe brand or the fandom and as such, they should be archived in places like joecustoms.com or other fan run sites. I don't want to take away from how great these things are, but they simply do not belong in the YoJoe archives.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: RedClaw on May 18, 2010, 08:40:35 PM
double-post
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: 5h4rK on May 18, 2010, 09:07:38 PM
Thanks for posting your point of view Terry..
It would be great to receive an answer to my e-mail next time..   :shifty:
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: night force cynic on May 19, 2010, 09:17:20 AM
Terry, it's definitely awesome to read your own viewpoint on this matter!   IMO it would be great to see Back-Stop version 2, Chacal Noir, and the Frostback troopers in the official Yojoe archive. 


I can see why maybe the previous figures wouldn't qualify, for the same reasons THE Mike pointed out, but if Redclaw says they could be considered it's got my support (what little that's actually worth  ;D).   And since Larry Hama wrote Snowbank's filecard I'd say he's got as much clout as all the figures in last year's set.   In any case though, no matter what figures get added to the Yojoe photo archives, I'd just love to see the newly created CHARACTERS from the Canada branches of GI*Joe and Cobra acknowledged as official in the mythos, all on par with Robert "Backstop" Levin. 



yeah I hoop this goes away someday to be replaced by "Version 1 1987" and "Version 2 2009"
Quote
This was the only version of Backstop ever made.

 :)
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Editor on May 19, 2010, 02:28:09 PM
Just a thought,

Why not create a new part on this site which effectively can "copy" YoJoes archives for the JoeCanuck forces. That would take the official concerns off the table, and it can be a (more or less) true archive for what is trying to be achieved with the ongoing creation and development of the JoeCanuck storyline and toys.

Then if Yo Joe wants to simply include a link on their conventions page to this new archive here, so be it, and we'll all be good to go.

Again, just a thought....
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: THE Mike™ on May 19, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
Quote from: "Editor"
Just a thought,

Why not create a new part on this site which effectively can "copy" YoJoes archives for the JoeCanuck forces. That would take the official concerns off the table, and it can be a (more or less) true archive for what is trying to be achieved with the ongoing creation and development of the JoeCanuck storyline and toys.

Then if Yo Joe wants to simply include a link on their conventions page to this new archive here, so be it, and we'll all be good to go.

Again, just a thought....


The original plan for the Wiki was to have just that - Canadian items pertaining to G.I. Joe - all listed here, with information, etc etc. There would also be all info on the "Canuck-verse" characters and background info on each that hasn't yet come to light.

But time became a factor, and it's now on the back burner.

I've spoken with someone that is willing to set up the Wiki and such for me - but I just don't have the time to do it on my own right now.
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: martin-montreal on August 13, 2012, 12:18:05 AM
Bringing back an old topic...
 
 I made contact with RedClaw (from YoJoe). It looks like some questions still need to be addressed. I fully understand his answer, I just thought it was going to be easier (or at least done by this date). He stated it was going to happen. So, I'm still hoping.
 
 I think someone more official than me should now be involved... so the CJC sets get their full exposure.
 
 
 
Quote from: RedClaw
Hi Martin.
 
 It's becoming easier and easier for people to produce anything their imagination desires and we need to be very careful as what we here at YoJoe classify as officially licensed product (e.g. The Collectors Club) and fan creations (Black Major).
 
 Originally in 2010, when I made the above statement, I was lead to believe that the show and the figures were licensed and endorsed by Hasbro. It is my current understanding that this is not the case.
 
 Either way, the Canadian exclusives will be on YoJoe, we just need to decide whether it will be in the main archive or a fan produced area.
 
 We should talk more and soon.
 
 - RedClaw
 Chief YoJoe Admin

 
 
Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Emags on August 13, 2012, 10:05:22 AM
Good follow - through, Martin!

I am confused by that answer, to be honest.  I thought Hasbro supplied the parts for 2009 and blessed it (after all, Backstop was produced so there would be copyright issues if Hasbro did not sign off).  I thought that was a given.

I also believed yo joe was going to "grandfather" previous figures (e.g. Black Ice, Snowbank, etc) even though they were not specifically endorsed by Hasbro, based on (1) the subsequent approval in 2009 and (2) the high quality nature of the product.  That was from the declassified article, which I do not have in front of me.....though I have the link saved somewhere.

So, it seems that yojoe's answer changed althought the facts (e.g. 2009 was an official set) did not.  Moreover, does not yojoe include the 2009 comic online already???

Maybe I'm missing something, but it is just not clear to me......

Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Emags on August 13, 2012, 10:12:59 AM
As a practical matter, the GI Joe logo is all over the last 4 sets plus Hasbro attended in 2009, 2011 and 2012 (I believe).  It is not like they did not know the sets were being made and CJC used the logo w/o permission.

Also, I understand Hasbro would not attend if knock - off products were sold in the vendor room and the CJC team took care of that.  They obviously had no problem with the CJC produced sets, which are awesome, btw.

I think yo joe's argument that compares custom figures / sets with custom sets that Hasbro Canada knows about and lets CJC produce are entirely different....they are not morally equivalent.

Title: Re: Canadian convention sets not listed on Yojoe
Post by: Sundance on August 13, 2012, 02:43:54 PM
what i think of YJ's attitude regarding their archive is probably best left unsaid...