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[Realboss]

Kinda pathetic that there is "politics" in the toy world - but no, this isn't them.

Master Collector runs the JoeCon in the U.S. - the one that took place this past weekend.

Actually Mike.  They do run the U.S. TFCon.  For the past couple of years. After they stole it away from the original guys who use to run it.  And there was an out cry when they switched the original JoeCon date for TFCon when the first TF movie came out.

They KNOW you guys are up there and they should KNOW that your Con is at the end of April each year....so either they're being jerks by doing this or they're completely ignorant about events in the Joe world. Either way, it doesn't speak well of the effort that they are putting into running the GIJCC these days.....

Oh, I can guarantee that they know about us, AND that they know our con is usually around then. Moving the date to that timeframe, AND placing the con as close to Canada as it's ever been?

Coincidence? Hard to swallow.

They should just have JoeCon in Canada once and for all and have you guys run the thing.  Smartest move in my books.

[morgardee]

Kinda pathetic that there is "politics" in the toy world - but no, this isn't them.

Master Collector runs the JoeCon in the U.S. - the one that took place this past weekend.

Actually Mike.  They do run the U.S. TFCon.  For the past couple of years. After they stole it away from the original guys who use to run it.  And there was an out cry when they switched the original JoeCon date for TFCon when the first TF movie came out.

They KNOW you guys are up there and they should KNOW that your Con is at the end of April each year....so either they're being jerks by doing this or they're completely ignorant about events in the Joe world. Either way, it doesn't speak well of the effort that they are putting into running the GIJCC these days.....

Oh, I can guarantee that they know about us, AND that they know our con is usually around then. Moving the date to that timeframe, AND placing the con as close to Canada as it's ever been?

Coincidence? Hard to swallow.

They should just have JoeCon in Canada once and for all and have you guys run the thing.  Smartest move in my books.

Savage would never let us run the event. I believe that's his full time job, even if he doesn't know the names of his own convention figures...

[B]

wow am I reading all this correctly. Do a lot of people not like the people running joecon or Master Collector? why?

[Realboss]

I actually do like the people running JoeCon and have become friends with a lot of them of them.    I also think they do a great job putting it on.  I even make a point of talking to Brian Savage whenever I attend and he has a free minute.  The man does have a lot on his plate and in his defense regarding 3 3/4 Joes, he's a 12" guy and people like David Lane former Steel Brigade pres. are in charge of the 3 3/4 stuff.    However, if the date move is a direct reaction to the CanJoeCon, that is in poor taste rather than existing together.
 With regards to the TFCon, when I was in Atlanta I had a chance to speak with a Transformers enthusiast who use to help run the original Cons. and he gave me the whole scoop on how MC muscled their way in and took over.  (mind you that was his version of the story)

[cmderinchief]

Yeah, not many at the con realized what those dates were....it didn't dawn on me until the next day.  I don't know what date (or dates) you have in mind Mike, but I plan to make the trip again. 

[Editor]

wow am I reading all this correctly. Do a lot of people not like the people running joecon or Master Collector? why?

Personally. I don't like the attitude they put out, they seem to think they are super fans and yet they seem know their stuff, they state that the exclusive items they produce for the clubs and conventions are pieces that Fandom is clambering for but you saw the response to the 25th edition Crimson force. The reviewed their own BotCon in the last TF magazine stating how some people stuck in lines had extra fun because it gave them time to look at their new toys, while the response from the people in those lines was clearly less than positive. (Shortpacked creator and TFWiki member Walky, posted yesterday his 'reaction' to their con report) I renewed my TF Membership last year to get Heatwave, first they weren't able to find my previous account (even thou my forum access was fine), then I received confirmation that they messed up and applied it to the wrong club, after finally fixing that the order I placed the same day had no trouble getting to me, but the first three issues of the magazine were sent out to the address I had moved away from 6 months prior.  Shall I go on?

OK one more thing. They control both the GIJoe Fan club and the TF Fan club. Both of these are Hasbro Properties so it should be easy to work with both, So why is there not an option where you can just get both memberships at the same bloody time for one price? Or perhaps a split access option so you don't need to join both clubs to buy from them?

And as a bonus, Yes I understand that the club changed their dates a couple years back in order to give BotCon a better date when TF hit the theaters but knowing full well how well the Canadian Joe convention went and that you guys have adopted that week-end, I couldn't care less what rational they have, it's a punk ass move and anyone responsible for running or helping the Canadian Convention has every right to be pissed off at their childish tactics.

[NeoDragonKnight]

I understand people are pissed, but I think the best revenge is just holding the Canadian Joe Con (same date or another) and having it be a success like this years. 

[Pete The Greek]

Mere coincidence?  Highly unlikely.  If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Just look at the dates.   The Canadian one has been held in the April to early May period for the last 5 years.  The Mastercollector/GIJCC convention has traditional been held between late June to mid August (2007 is an outlier due to the Transformer movie and Botcon). 

Joe Meet/Canadian G.I. Joe Convention dates:

December14 2002
February 7, 2004
April 23, 2005
April 8, 2006
April 14, 2007
April 19, 2008
May 2, 2009

GIJCC Convention dates:

July 31-August 2, 1998
July 29-August 1,1999
June 22-25, 2000
June 21-24, 2001
June 27-29, 2002
June 26-29, 2003
July 1-4, 2004
June 23-26, 2005
June 29-July 2, 2006
September 27-30, 2007
June 26-29, 2008
August 13-16, 2009


And all of a sudden it's held late April/early May?  Quack 

[ARROW]

Mere coincidence?  Highly unlikely.  If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's a duck.  Just look at the dates.   The Canadian one has been held in the April to early May period for the last 5 years.  The Mastercollector/GIJCC convention has traditional been held between late June to mid August (2007 is an outlier due to the Transformer movie and Botcon). 

Joe Meet/Canadian G.I. Joe Convention dates:

December14 2002
February 7, 2004
April 23, 2005
April 8, 2006
April 14, 2007
April 19, 2008
May 2, 2009

GIJCC Convention dates:

July 31-August 2, 1998
July 29-August 1,1999
June 22-25, 2000
June 21-24, 2001
June 27-29, 2002
June 26-29, 2003
July 1-4, 2004
June 23-26, 2005
June 29-July 2, 2006
September 27-30, 2007
June 26-29, 2008
August 13-16, 2009


And all of a sudden it's held late April/early May?  Quack 

It might be worth also noting WHERE the events have been held in the past. The Club events shift locations all over the place, whereas the CDN event does not, correct?

There may be all kinds of legit reasons for the change in dates, such as other events booking in the RI area during the summer. Most conventions are held during weekends, that that limits the number of booking slots, and there's probably only a few hotels that can accommodate the event anyway.
Its easy to see this thing as a deliberate slight, but it could also very well be inadvertent. It might be wiser to assume the latter until the former can be proven, if it can be proven at all.

Besides.......why does it need to be a case of "either/or"? Would the number of attendees at one event really  be affected by the numbers at the other? Both events seem to have their reasons for being, and their attractions that stand apart.

[Editor]

It might be worth also noting WHERE the events have been held in the past. The Club events shift locations all over the place, whereas the CDN event does not, correct?

Besides.......why does it need to be a case of "either/or"? Would the number of attendees at one event really  be affected by the numbers at the other? Both events seem to have their reasons for being, and their attractions that stand apart.

Hey if the Canadian Convention wants to look at moving about the country I can see about sharing Vancouver convention contacts if needed.

The question Arrow asks is a decent one, Is there any available data regarding attendees that visit both conventions, and how they would choose which one to attend if the cons conflict?

[morgardee]

Besides.......why does it need to be a case of "either/or"? Would the number of attendees at one event really  be affected by the numbers at the other? Both events seem to have their reasons for being, and their attractions that stand apart.

Yes it does have an impact. A lot of guys like to hit up both events but you need a few months between events to replenish your cash supply.

I asked about this on the MC board and I was told the reason for this date can be summed up in one word "Hasbro".

The sad part is the Canadian event doesn't try to steal the numbers from the American convention or have anything negative with it at all. The Canadian event is nonprofit and done out the sheer joy of G.I. Joe. If there is any money made from the events, it's not much and if you were to assign a $10.00 per hour of work to everyone involved in getting the convention items together and the time spent setting things up then there would a large negative number as far as finances go.

As it is, all the guys involved do it for the love of Joe. Heck, we don't even get free toys out of the deal. That's correct, we also had to pay for our own convention sets last year. We just want more people talking about G.I. Joe so the product can grow in Canada. It's already doing well in the US but if we can help it grow in Canada then that means we will see more waves of figures show up, and not have to worry about being skipped from time to time.

At least that's why I help out.

[Realboss]

I read Morgardee's post on the Collectors' Club site and they just simply state it was Hasbro's call on the convention date.  No explanations to why that specific date.